Attention Public: Info On Outfit Agents Marco D'Amico And Tony Dote Is Required

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Judging by Dote’s empty pockets (very flat looking – I wont comment on anything else missing), it does not seem as if Marco was paying him very much money. He was 29-years old in the photo above.

The Don

Joe, What justice are you seeking? Has Marco or Dote done something against you? How would the name of an alleged mistress help in determining someone’s role or stature in the Oufit? How would the color and make of a car determine the role or stature of someone in the Outfit? How would a waitress at a restaurant who sees Marco or Dote determine their role or stature within the Outfit? Your sarcasm is hilarious.
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  Sarcasm!? I am as serious as a heart attack. I want answers! My readers gave me a job and I am going to find the underlying cause of the business between Marco and Dote. I want to know everything I can find about these two thugs. I will let you know how the color and make of their cars, servers’ observations and who their mistresses are will help when I have answers. I will get answers. You would be surprised about the information that comes to me via the public. I intend to network a way to establish relevant sources through any lead I could get my hands on. You will see what investigative reporting really is.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    According to you and HF, Marco and Dote are
    committing crimes as Outfit operatives, because that is a rime in itself. These
    crimes are crimes against our society and the laws of the land and that upsets
    me! I am on the job. I want answers and I am going to get answers. You
    will see. I will show that little Rocky insurance agent who he is
    underestimating. Justice will prevail.
    - The Don
      
      How much cash reward will you give me for telling you the size of Marco’s shoes? I believe that information will confirm the stature of Marco as the personal underboss to DiFronzo in the extended Elmwood Park Crew.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The amount of the reward would be negotiated based on how good the information is and it would be done via email, not on the comment threads. In addition, it would have to be vetted.
    - HF
      
      Joe, I believe you meant “according to you and BA”–not “you and HF”–when you were addressing the Don. I have hardly mentioned the subjects of this article at all in your threads, mainly because I don’t know very much about them. This thread should be an interesting one.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You are correct. I am sorry for the typo. I will fix it now.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    People like Marco sit back and suck up respect because of their wealth. Fools make the mistake of looking at wealthy people like Marco (and other criminals/gangsters), who buy drinks, spends money and lend money to friends, as kings. Marco pays his bills, takes care of his family is a good dad and all of that supposedly washes away the real man. Here is the real man: Marco is a man, who made millions (took millions from) taking money from weak people, with mental problems, who gambled their paychecks away. Some gamblers probably resorted to crimes to pay him off. Others likely took juice loans, stole from their loved ones because Marco gave them a line. Legalized gambling in most cases, does not allow a gambler to bet unless he or she has money up front. Marco (and other bookmakers) issue credit in advance, enabling the weak desperate soul to gamble. Unlike legal gambling, collections are enforced with intimidation and fear and in some cases beatings (all are felonies). Let us think of how many grandparents, parents, sisters and wives lent/gave their loved ones their last few dollars to pay off Marco because he Marco (via his agents) allowed broke people to play – people who had mental problems.
    
    As a side note: I know that my detractors will attempt to use these statements against me, falsely citing that “I robbed my family.” Well, I was not a player and I did not ask my family for money. My grandmother’s affidavit indicates in her words who approached her for money, and it was not me (see for yourself: http://americannewspost.com/docs/jfosco/tollman1.pdf ).
    
    I know that Marco has rich players as well, but that does not diminish the sins that he commits against the struggling players, who hurt their loved ones by taking their money, because Marco advanced credit (unlike a casino that will give credit to solvent people) and protects his interests by committing additional felonies scaring people half to death if gambling bills are not paid (something that does not occur with legal gambling).
    
    Again I will show you how investigative reporting works. Marco (and Dote) is scum and he will be exploited.
    - The Don
      
      Joe, I thought you didn’t care about Marco? Now, all of a sudden, Marco & Dote are two of the worst people in the world? Your hatred of them is quite obvious. Do you have some history with Marco or his men? Why the sudden change? Do you hate Marco because Willie hated Marco? Was Willie Messino scum when he was beating somebody up for being late on juice payments? I don’t get it, Joe? How could Willie be the greatest guy in the world and be your guardian angel and Marco be scum? How is that logical Joe? Your biggest fault is that you’re not objective. Why don’t you ask your new source about Marco’s status? Are you afraid the new source will give you the same answers as Black Angelo & me? Don’t you believe what Black Angelo & I have been telling you? You’d rather hear it from a waitress in a restaurant?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I was not as concerned about Marco and Dote until recently. I had a change of heart. Please do not try to find something that is not there – I simply had a change of heart. You and BA (as well as a couple of others) helped me make the sudden decision.
      I have no history with Marco or Tony – nothing significant.
      I never said Willie was a great guy. He was my friend. He was good to me. He was retired from violence when i knew him, otherwise, I would not have had anything to do with him. One time he resorted to his old ways in my presence, however, it was driven by a genuine self-defense situation. Just because Willie protected me does not mean that he should be classified as an all around great guy – I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth.
      I am not going to spend a great deal of time responding to your hair splitting on this matter.
      Please be advised that I am far from ready to write anything on Marco and Tony. I have only begun the investigation. Perhaps, little Rocky the insurance executive better motivate me to get this done faster.
    - The Don
      
      When you’re done with your investigating, you’ll get the same result I’m giving you right now. Marco was a High Level Associate in the old days, much like a Ralph Pierce, except that Marco is Italian. Cerone kept Marco at an arm’s length. Marco shared some of his income with Auippa & Cerone. When Cerone went away, DiFronzo brought him in closer and made him, Ceremony or no Ceremony. He was a made guy and partner with Johnny some time after 1985. After Marco got out of jail in 2005, he became the personal underboss to DiFronzo and is in the same capacity as Carlisi was to Auippa or Marcello was to Carlisi. Marco is a strong made guy and personal underboss to the the Top Boss of the Outfit ( DiFronzo ) in the Dominent Crew ( Elmwood Park ). Lastly, you obviously don’t know much about Las Vegas. If you gamble on credit and lose, watch & see how they collect.
    - The Don
      
      When you’re done with your investigating, you’ll get the same result I’m giving you right now. Marco was a High Level Associate in the old days, much like a Ralph Pierce, except that Marco is Italian. Cerone kept Marco at an arm’s length. Marco shared some of his income with Auippa & Cerone. When Cerone went away, DiFronzo brought him in closer and made him, Ceremony or no Ceremony. He was a made guy and partner with Johnny some time after 1985. After Marco got out of jail in 2005, he became the personal underboss to DiFronzo and is in the same capacity as Carlisi was to Auippa or Marcello was to Carlisi. Marco is a strong made guy and personal underboss to the the Top Boss of the Outfit ( DiFronzo ) in the Dominent Crew ( Elmwood Park ). Lastly, you obviously don’t know much about Las Vegas. If you gamble on credit and lose, watch & see how they collect.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You mean if you commit fraud in Vegas, by signing for a marker that one knows he or she cannot afford – one is arrested. I know how it works and I am not a gambler.
      I do not consider your information about Marco unimportant. However, i want details. I want dirt.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You mean if you commit fraud in Vegas, by signing for a marker that one knows he or she cannot afford – one is arrested. I know how it works and I am not a gambler.
      I do not consider your information about Marco unimportant. However, i want details. I want dirt.
    - The Don
      
      Well I’m not into dirt. I can tell you Dote is a made guy & no joke. DiFronzo, Marco & Dote could be compared to Carlisi, Marcello & Zizzo as far as stature. Top Boss, Personal underboss, made guy in the Dominent Crew. The other Crews: Cicero, Grand Ave., & 26th St. lay off their excess Bookmaking action to Elmwood Park. If Marco gives an order to the Boss or made guy in one of the other Partner Crews, it’s obeyed as if DiFronzo is talking. No different than in the old days when Marcello gave an order, it was like Carlisi talking.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I appreciate your assertion about dirt. I should have used a better word, such as gory details. I will make the change.
      You have to admit the photo of Tony looks like a like. lol
      Thank you for the details.
    - Black Angelo
      
      I agree with the Don 110 % below, Joe did it ever occur to you people pay Marco with respect because they like the man. Take Oak Brook Shopping Centers finest Michael Magnafichi he loves Marco. Even refuses to talk about that man. People geniunelly love Marco. Maybe its fear or that he is generous. And Marco is about to be 76, his fear is by name only and the goons that work for him. He did do a hell of a job in the 1970s and 80s of organizing gambling for the Outfit.
      
      I dont know how many card cheats and high stakes poker players he armed (in the hundreds throughout his criminal career). One being Professional Poker player Ed Corrado (who is originally from Cicero but now lives in Naples, Florida). He’s been sending Marco a monthly royalty check for almost 40 years.
      
      I believe Marco drives a Lexus SUV, but he is tailed by the Feds almost daily. He dont drive much any longer. He does have numerous drivers and gophers. One of his drivers as you know Vic Tartan died suddenly in 2008. But guys like James ‘Jimmy’ DiGiulio (outfit bookmaker), and Big Moe do whatever it is Marco needs done or drive him around.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I appreciate the good information.
Black Angelo

Joe, Tony Dote is not fat anymore, I believe he paid a hell of alot of money for Gastric By Pass Surgery. He is not like his older brother Carl who looks like Pudgy Matassa’s partner in “eating” crime. Tony is not a great dresser. In fact he rarely matches. But that photo you published of Seymour is horrid lol ! That was at a cookout in 1981.

Again Johnny DiFronzo has always liked Tony Seymour and his aproach to how he keeps his head down. And he is a tremendous earner and very good with numbers. He is no joke. When Marco went away in 1994, I’m told unequivocally Johnny D gave Tony the green light to run Marcos’ gambling and juice loan enterprise (he headed it with Donny Scalise and Mazza (Pat).)
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  I had dinner with Tony, Michael Magnafichi and Jack Esq about 11-years ago and he seemed stocky. Thank you for the update on his weight. I very well know that he was never the size of Paula’s pride and joy.
  The photo I published is from an outing in 82. Accardo and Rocky D (as well as many others) were there.
  Seymour? A nickname?
  Let us not forget Michael. Michael was in action as well in 94 and Tony (as well as most others) were always in competition and jellous of Michael, which is why so many glorify in his failure today.
  Two others that respected Michael very much, Don and Pat.
  I witnessed Willie scream at Pat once so badly that I almost covered my ears. I hated when Willie occasionally did that to people. This was before pat went away on the bank robbery.
  - Black Angelo
    
    Yes alot of guys was jealous of Michael back in the 90s. He made alot of money fast (was a millioniare), made some good real estate deals. Alot of guys like Dote might of been jealous of Michael (5 finger Magnafichi) because they felt he did not earn his postion. Tony Dote had been in the life for a long time. Then well privalaged golfing guru Mike comes along and rides his fathers and Andriacchi’s coat tails. Michael was never on Marco’s level though. Marco does not get jealous of any man. He is to wealthy and high up, and powerful for all that. Plus I belive Marco likes Michael. Maybe even more than Joey A.
    - Black Angelo
      
      Oh btw yes Seymour is a nickname. And if Tony Dote was at a party with Joe B that speaks volumes. And Rocky D (who DeGrazia) ?? DeGrazia was dead by 1982 (i believe he passed away in 78). Like I said above Michael was a millioniare bookmaker. Alot of guys where jealous of his wealth and good looks. Like I said they didnt think he earned his postion. For Instance guys like Frank jr or his brother Kurt Calabrese worked for their father for years and years (pretty much a decade). But Frank Sr never let them run book or make the real big money when their was a big boom in gambling in the 1980s and 90s. Frank Jr stole a million from his dad anyhow. But alot of guys resented Mike for his wealth (at the time) obviously he has fallen apart and his life is in shambles. True Story.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      There were cooks and cleaning people at this semi-public affair, which does not speak volumes for anyone being there.
      DeGrazia was alive and at the party. My father and him met somewhere later with one of our family friends, which is how I met Rocky. In fact, I have a photo including Rocky from that day.
    - Domain7r
      
      Joe, are you sure your photo of Rocky was from the same party? Rocky DeGrazia died 1978.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I am sure.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You have inspired me to do some research on the net, which caused me to discover some material that puts Rocky’s death date in 1978. However, my photo, and recollection puts my father with him in 82. I will look into it further. I am sure we will get this cleared up. Thank you for bringing this information forward. If there is something that needs to be resolved, I am all for it. I may contact a family member who would have a better personal recollection of the 1978/1982 timeframe then me. I will keep you posted as soon as something develops.
    - Black Angelo
      
      I believe you had the photo joe of DeGrazia, but trust me he died before even 1980 (let alone 1982). I recall it being in 1978 as I stated before
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      No, the photo is of Rocky. I was confused about the year it was taken.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear Domain,
      
      My relative finally addressed my question. Apparently, my meeting with my father and Rocky was at an earlier time. It was not during the outing in which Dote posed while dressed as a clown (in the early 80s). It was in the summer of the late 70s, which is why I was unable to recall it as well as I could recall most of my memories. However, I do recall very well the place we visited. It was a restaurant in Chicago Heights called the Seville. I remember it so well because the name reminded me of my father’s car (it was a union car that his boss ordered him to kiss my fathers ass – the same boss that eventually resigned his position to my dad). My father and Rocky met with old Blue Eyes (a friend of theirs). I was dressed as a cowboy with two side arms. Rocky introduced me to the server as Sundance Kid. Lol
      My father and Rocky loved each other very much.
    - Dom
      
      Joe, thanks for the follow up. The Seville, I will have to ask some relatives were that place used to be in the Heights, I was too young to remember. I knew Rocky was friends with a lot of the guys in the Heights, a lot of the old capo’s. I have heard his name mentioned before in conversations about the Heights guys. He went back along way, that Rocky.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear Dom,
      Yes, look into the Seville if you can. If I recall correctly, it was your typical American breakfast, lunch and dinner spot (very inexpensively priced). My father was as close to the guys in the Heights as Rocky was, whether it means anything or not, I do not know.
      Angelo Volpe confirmed some things for me a while back when I would see him at Joey Kong’s house roughly 10-years ago (regarding Rocky and my father). Angelo referred to my father as a good kid. I will never forget it because my father was born in the early 20s. One would have to be pretty old to think of my father as a kid.
    - Dom
      
      I will, Joe. I am just as interested. I wish I would have caught your 3 day old reply earlier, I could have asked someone last night. The Angelo Volpe you are referring to does he have relatives in the Heights?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I am sorry, but I do not know. I do know that his brother was a wealthy businessman named Dominick Volpe, who was old man Jack Cerone’s best friend for a long time. In addition, it was Dominick’s son, Sandy, who represented Joey Aiuppa on the Strawman case.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Very well put. I agree with it entirely. However, i would add that Michael was also on old man Jack’s coattails.

Black Angelo

Joe I have a question,,, Please answer truthfully. Has the 5 finger discount man done it again ? Did he want to make it 5 retail thefts in a 2 year time period ? Like I said when you publish your book next year. I would hope Michael “5 finger discount” Magnafichi will “boost” me one. I’m willing to purchase one, but if Mike Mags is still roaming the streets I would hope he would “grab” me one lol.

Joe your friend got arrested AGAIN a week and a half ago. Is he okay ? seriously ? Does he need monies from Marco again. I’m sure Marco would be willing to assess the situation Michael has gotten himself into again (he’s going to go to jail, maybe even Stateville for a 61 wonder). Marco loved Lee,, so maybe Marco is willing to help him. What is Andriacchi doing for his God Son. Michael is obviously troubled. Does the Builder care? What is going on Joe with your source the former Outfit bookie turned bunglar Michael “i’ll steal an old ladies purse” Magnafichi ??

Thank You Joe Fosco.

ps I posted a pic of a handsome fella below, ol mugshot of 5 fingers (not bad for 51, btw my source thinks he’s on drugs)

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Yes, Michael did. I told his girlfriend not to call Tommy Martin for bail money because I suspected that Tommy’s big mouth would tell the world about and he would probably not come up with a dime (which all turned out to be true because she did call Tommy).
Michael started a new job the other day as an honest person and I am happy for him. I am trying to get him to write a sports piece for me for a little extra money. He is game for it but has yet to allot the time to do it.
Michael only has misdemeanor cases. He will get probation.
Marco did not have to help him with money. I offered to pledge some, but he managed to get it elsewhere. I did send him a little cash (western-union) while he was in. He only spent a week in Dupage County.
I do not believe that he ever took an old lady’s purse, but I am not with him in person ever to actually see what he does.
- Black Angelo
  
  Well i must admit you seem like a true friend to Magnafichi. And Marco gave him a good sum of money (and btw with no pts involved). What in the fuck has Andriacchi done ? Did he offer to place him in the Rosebud Group ? Marco is connected to a couple of construction companies, Volare restaurants as well as other restaurants (like Gene/Georgetti’s). Even Rosebuds ! Maybe Marco will help him with that. And what sports piece is he going to be writing ? involving what sport and what level (like college or pro) ? Dont forget my other questions.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Michael owed Joe a lot of money from a deal in 2002, which is what caused the estrangement between the two.
    Michael may write whatever he wishes. Personally, with Joey A alive (who does not like Marco and Marco stays clear of Joe for this reason), I cannot see how Marco could have any ownership in Rose Bud. And, Gene & Georgetti’s has been a family owned business for many years, not by Marco. Can you elaborate on these matters?
    I believe that Michael (at one time) could have had whatever he wanted at Rose Bud (as far as a position). For years he did not have to ever pay a tab. He hated Alex (because Jack influenced him to hate Alex) to a point that when he went to Alex’s daughters wedding, he intentionally refrained from submitting a wedding gift and he ate like a horse. lol
    I could see that lucky idiot Benny getting hooked up with Marco.
    - Black Angelo
      
      Oh sorry but Marco is “highly” respected at Rosebuds and at Gene & Georgetti’s if he wanted something done their they would listen to him. Their is no doubt in my mind about that. And Volare I dont even need to elaborate with that one. As you said earlier people “cater” to Marco anyhow for various reasons.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I never doubted that various restaurants would cater to Marco. However, any wealthy big spender could easily buy the same clout, especially in the service industry. Most wealthy people are too bashful to throw their weight around.
- Black Angelo
  
  Oh btw Tommy Fuckin Martin lol ! A very big fucking mouth. And yes Mike has misdemeanor cases but A WHOLE LOT OF THEM on top of that he has 7 DUI’s. He likes to mount up on charges I see lol. And where did Mike get this girl .. Grotto’s ? It’s just a matter of time before Mike goes John Dillinger and holds up a bank.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    All of Michael’s dui’s are closed. he has 5-misdemeanor cases for shoplifting. Worst case he would get 1-year concurrent on all five, which means he would sit in DuPage for 6-months. However, I believe he will receive probation, which is worse. I suspect that he wont keep up with probation and violate 5-probations, which will cause him a much bigger problem. I tried to talk him into remaining in DuPage recently, for a month or two, in order to negotiate a sentence where he would be released with no probation – because he does not keep up with probation. he is a f***ing mess. I am no scholar, but, I would keep up with court dates and probation. I am not well informed on his lady. She seems nice.
    I do not think Michael is capable of going ‘John Dillinger’ (one must be able to be sober and awake long enough to make it out of the work-car).
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Speaking of Martin, I remember shortly after I sent a couple of hundred Christmas Cards out in 2004 (http://americannewspost.com/docs/jfosco/filing2/images/card.html), I walked in to a place to meet my former friend Billy Daddono III, so we could laugh and joke about it (despite the fact that it was all an odd self defense plan that Dr. Giacchino ordered). Billy helped me acquire a great number of residential addresses for that mass mailing (i.e., George Poulus, Rudy Fratto, Sam Lucarelli and several others). As i walked in the place Tommy Martin mumbled under his breath but loud enough for me to hear, “unbelievable, if this were 20-years ago.” I took his comment to mean that he was unhappy that I was not killed for sending those cards. I leaned into Billy and said, “did you hear this big f***ing goof’s comment?” Billy responded quietly, “I was working him up before you got here to see what he would do when you got here.” I laughed and said, “well, I guess you discovered the answer – nothing! And why should he do anything?” lol
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    In the interest of fairness, Michael was not convicted of five of those dui’s. so, in essence, you should say that he has 2 dui’s.
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Oh, leave the guy alone. lol
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  I told him he looks a little better in this mugshot. lol
- Nm
  
  Dote hangs out at dannys deli.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Thank you. Please let me know more when you can.
    And, I wish to thank the others, who have commented via email. Please keep the info coming in.
  - Black Angelo
    
    Nm, that would make since that Tony would go their lol. And everybody goes to dannys. Paula and the Fat Man through numerous birthday parties their for OutfitMembers and Associates.

The Don

Joe, As far as Bookmaking is concerned, noone puts a gun to someones’s head and makes them bet. That can be said for Las Vegas, Altantic City & Chicago. If a person is extended some credit and defaults, they are to blame for the problem, not the people taking the bets. For your information, over the last several years, when a guy gets behind, he sometimes takes on a partner if he has some kind of asset or he may be cut off completely from betting. The 25 % street agents are ultimately responsible for their players. However, some big players bet directly with the office manned by the soldiers. If a guy is a real problem, his name is circulated to all the crews and the bettor can never bet again with them or any of the street agents who do business with the Outfit. Many times, being blackballed is much worse than getting a beating. The violent side of collecting in Bookmaking is much lower than years ago.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The Don,
Of course not, there is no need to put a gun to a degenerate gambler’s head, because his or her mental illness serves as a gun.
I do not want to talk to much about legal gambling because its not a crime. Besides, gamblers who get markers in Vegas are somewhat solvent, because they either have credit lines, credit cards or checking accounts. My concern lies with the many who are mentally ill, who have nothing but an illness. Sure, times have changed with the way the Outfit runs their collections practices today – most of the violence is gone (mist of it – not all of it). In addition, fear and intimidation remain strong.
It is important to remember that Marco made his millions in the day when violence ran rampant – when the Outfit was more sadistic. It is those millions that Marco made off the mentally ill many years ago who were threatened and beaten until they begged their sisters and grandparents or stole from them. In other words, Marco (and the others like him) had a vehicle to solvent peoples bank accounts, who bailed their mentally ill loved ones out after a severe beating took place. And, it was the mentally ill degenerates who could not get a marker (or even a bus ticket to arrive) in Vegas. Today, Marco sits around with goofs fawning all over him, as if he did something as noble as invent a cure for an illness. No. He did the opposite. He found a way to cure his finances off others who have illnesses. Everyone that likes him (and I admit its many people). like him for reasons that a person should not be valued.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Tommy Martin is the don of a jewel thief, who was close to DiFronzo. My beef with him is as much as his beef with me is.

frankie5angels

oh thanks for the info….. is he the same guy that hangs around with ray morelli and a guy that golfs at medinah country club? i hear they hang around at roosters and casales in itasca? same guy? and joe what is your beef with him you havent stated? i think its the same guy, he owns a german shepherd
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  Sounds as if the person you are talking about would fit TM’s description.
  - Nm
    
    Tm trains german sheperds
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      i remember the day he was getting drunk in the summer time and left one in his car to find it dead after he realized that he had enough to drink.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Not sure.

frankie5angels

i have seen him at volare looks like a bulldog
- Black Angelo
  
  F5A, yes that is Big Moe for sure !!! I’m almost certain. He used to hang around with Marco alot at Gibsons and Grottos. They would smoke cigars on the terrace.
  - frankie5angels
    
    BA,
    
    Been reading mostly for the last 6 months and i always admire your info, what do u think Big Moe, does? is he just a driver / errand boy?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Who is Big Moe?
    - Black Angelo
      
      Johnny is his first name Joe. Some call him Johnny Moe others Big Moe
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      BA,
      Thanks for the information. Are you at liberty to give his last name? Is his last name not known?
    - The Don
      
      Muscleman soldier who works under Marco.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Are you at liberty to share his full name?
    - Black Angelo
      
      Thank yu FA, and Big Moe is in his 40s and been around for years. He is also close with Solly D, and Pudgy. He is Marco’s driver and owns a body shop in Maywood.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Thank you for sharing.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Viewers:
      
      Would someone be able to give me the name of the body shop in Maywood, Illinois, owned by Big Moe? Thank you.

The Don

Joe, I’ve just read all your comments on this blog. You can’t make one fucking comment about Marco without thowing in something that is derogatory. You sound like some scorned woman talking about him. What is your problem with Marco? Are you jealous that he has a lot of money? Why does just the mention of his name bother you so much? Lee Magnafichi and his son Michael made a lot a money from Bookmaking years ago. Why don’t you say something derogatory about them every time their name is mentioned? And believe me their names are mentioned a lot. Dominic Cortina & Donald Angelini made a lot of money from Boommaking years ago. Why don’t you say something derogatory about them everytime their name is mentioned? Every fucking time you comment about Marco you have to throw in something negative. Unbelievable.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The Don,
How I sound to others is a matter of opinion.
My problem with Marco is that he is actively serving the Outfit as a higher-up, which I learned from you. Did you forget that I do not like the criminal enterprise known as the Chicago Outfit? Does this make me a bad person?
I have issued a derogatory statement about Lee. Reread the final paragraph in the article that I wrote about him.
Michael is no longer employed for the criminal enterprise. Moreover, according to him, he is reforming as a petty thief, now gainfully employed in a legitimate job.
If you go through this comment thread, you should be able to see that I added a couple of indications that ‘others like Marco’ were as bad (not verbatim). Perhaps I subconsciously refrained from naming Don Angelini because I happen to like his son a great deal, Donald Jr. However, since you have alerted me, I will assert that Donald and Cortina were bad men too.
- The Don
  
  No, it doesn’t make you a bad person. I see, so your mission is to bring down the entire Outfit which has existed for 80 years that your father was a High level Associate of and your Uncle a made guy just because Rudy Fratto & two Associates muscled you for money. Well, part of what happened is your fault also, Joe. You are not a completely innocent victim. In the same way, gamblers or whoever else that do business with the Outfit and don’t keep their end of the bargain, somehow have to suffer at least some consequences. I know many gamblers who bet regularly with a couple of Street Agent Bookmaker associates, who work with the Oufit, and these guys have no problem. When they win, they collect. When they lose , they pay. It’s really very simple. I personally have no problem with the Outfit at all. The United States Government that was under the rule of former President Busch & Vice President Cheney was much worse and way more hypoctical and dangerous than the Outfit. I’m sorry you are on a moral soap box trying to hurt some members of the Outfit who did absolutely nothing to you. Good luck because you will accomplish nothing in hurting the Outfit as a whole. What you really should do is focus in on the people who actually hurt you and go after them. Now that I understand.
  - The Don
    
    Let me go one further. Did you ever owe money to any of the people who run gambling in the Oufit? Did Marco ever try and hurt you in some way? If the answer is no, then why do you hate Marco? You need to hate Fratto or Giacchino, not Marco or Dote. Your hatred is misplaced and not focused. Hate the right people.
    - The Don
      
      Joe, I know the whole story of what really happened beginning in 2001. I don’t know what went on in 1987, but if Romie Nappi agreed to pay $250,000 dollars, there had to be at least some truth to it. As far as 2001 forward, let’s just say that you are not all wrong, but you are not all right either. You were not a completely innocent victim. You seeked these people out and were involved with them and then things went wrong. They did some wrong things against you, but you were not some innocent person walking down the street that all of a sudden got mugged. I mean, if you really want to be honest about it, you kind of brought some of it on to yourself to a certain degree. You went way further than I would have gone AND YOU DID IT WITH NO GUARDIAN ANGEL. I say go after the people you hate and leave the other people alone. Don’t try to fight too many battles, like picking on the Elmwood Park Police Chief. You need to stop all that bullshit and just focus in on the few people that hurt you. Words of wisdom from Santa.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don,
      
      Over the last day or two you began by (falsely, in my opinion) accusing me of lacking objectivity. Now you are suggesting that I should specifically target people who I personally dislike. Your logic is irrational.
      
      My motives behind my quest for justice are irrelevant to the pursuit of justice.
      
      At the risk of irritating you (which I do not want to do), are you certain that your Outfit affiliated relative is not pulling your strings?
    - The Don
      
      Joe, If you directed your personal hatred & predjudices OFF THE THREADS at the right people, ANP would be more legitimate & even better. You end up doing the same thing Roemer did in his books many times, and it’s a shame because you know more about the Outfit than that idiot.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Again, I am no different than John Walsh harboring dislike towards criminals and hatred towards their illicit activities.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don,
      
      Over the last day or two you began by (falsely, in my opinion) accusing me of lacking objectivity. Now you are suggesting that I should specifically target people who I personally dislike. Your logic is irrational.
    - The Don
      
      My logic is perfectly rational as always. I just left out one part, of which I apologize, because I had a lot of points to make. I believe you should focus your hatred towards a couple of people OFF THE THREADS. That’s the part I left out. Your article and comments about the Outfit should not be laced with predjudice and lack of objectivity. Everything on the threads should be based upon more factual things about the Outfit. You should not use ANP for a hate campaign or a moral soap box. That’s what you’re doing with the Marco article ( in my opinion). You should focus your hatred OFF THE THREADS and ANP will be even better!
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don,
      
      Why did you have many points to make? Are you being paid? lol
      
      On the contrary, my recent piece on Marco who I do not know actually refreshes the fact that I do not lack objectivity. My interest writing about and reporting on an element of society that I dislike (practicing criminals), is no different from the news anchors who follow gangsters around. I would find it fair to say that Dane Placko dislikes criminals’ activity. The only difference is that criminals have victimized me to some extent (John Walsh comes to mind).
      
      Lastly, my recent piece (on Marco) proves that I am not running a hate campaign. Again, I do not know Marco, and therefore, I do not hate him. I dislike active criminals and hate their illicit activities. Dane Placko and John Walsh probably feel the same way. I do not believe anyone accuses them of running a hate campaign. Again, the type of criminals he reports on victimized John Walsh by murdering his now late son Adam.
    - Kkanz
      
      if organized crime is truly the target of anp it is about time for some articles about the element that is reeking havoc in our cities all across our country.they may not have any connection to the romantic era of capone and the cosa nostra but the amount of violence and terror they spread across our entire communities is at an all time high.even innocent children are not safe going to school.yet the priority of the government spending is being directed on the extiction of dinosaurs.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear Khanz,
      Thank you for your supportive comment.
    - The Don
      
      I agree if the articles you’re referring to are written about the drug dealing street gangs, not about some Italian guys taking bets on football games. The drug dealing Mexicans & Blacks are creating terror and havoc, not the Italians. There have been 2 Outfit related muders in Chicago in the last 10 years.
    - The German
      
      The Don, Are you including the Gerald Dhamer murder in that count?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The Park Ridge Police are merely speculating that it was a botched Outfit hit. It was never proven. In my opinion, the questionable Park Ridge Police Department would be casting a better guess if they theorized that Sal Cataudella returned to his old community to murder a neighbor that he hated (simply waiting a while to avoid being a suspect).
    - Black Angelo
      
      Interesting Theory
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Dear The Don,
    
    Over the last day or two you began by (falsely, in my opinion) accusing me of lacking objectivity. Now you are suggesting that I should specifically target people who I personally dislike. Your logic is irrational.
    
    If you are asking me a question, I have never claimed to be on a mission to take down the entire Outfit.
    
    My motives behind my quest for justice are irrelevant to the pursuit of justice.
    
    Attempting to argue your view of the previous presidential administrations shortcomings as a way to address my pursuit of justice for the good citizens of our land seems illogical to me.
    
    I contend that you are the one on a soapbox (surely not a moral one) as you sit here and seem to be attempting to defend organized criminals (in my opinion).
    
    If I could shed a little public attention on the bad guys, I am happy to do so.
    
    At the risk of irritating you (which I do not want to do), are you certain that your Outfit affiliated relative is not pulling your strings?
    
    On a different subject, according to one of the message threads at ANP, several months ago, you were not even sure of my fathers first name or if he was Angelo Fosco or not. Since then, how do you explain knowing what you purport to know about the level of my fathers involvement with the Outfit?
    - The Don
      
      No offense, but your family is so mixed up that it was hard to determine if Armando was your father or if Angelo was your father, if Paul was your brother, half brother or whatever. To be honest, I still don’t understand it, but I really don’t care. I had heard about Angelo Fosco and Armando Fosco from the past, and I was inquiring which one was your father. When you told me Armando, then I remembered he was the one connected to Teets Battaglia. I knew both men were union men and had actually heard good things about them.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don,
      Apparently you heard that my father was involved with the Outfit. Is that what you consider hearing ‘good things’ about him?
    - The Don
      
      I tried to give you a compliment which was the truth about your father and you now want to question it? I refuse to answer your stupid idiotic question.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don,
      There is noting stupid or idiotic about the question. I understand that you meant it as a compliment, therefore, thank you.
Black Angelo

Joe I dont understand why you wanted know who Marco’s and Tony’s mistresses where ? That seemed odd in your article. Can you explain why you went the National Enquirer route on that. And did you ask Marco for some money since 2005 and he rejected you ?
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  BA,
  Thank you for the question. I disagree with your categorization that it is the National Enquirer route. Instead, it is another angle. Suppose I know someone who knows someone. It would be helpful to have some names. Take my meaning? It is good investigating.
  It would be the National Enquirer route if I wrote an article about who the women are once I discover (perhaps confirm) their identities. Moreover, I could state right now that I will not be writing an article on who the mistresses of these fellows are. I will leave that to the show called Mob Wives.
  - Black Angelo
    
    Okay fair enough, but still dont understand why you put it in the article if you where not going to write about it anyhow. So now I really dont see the point. You get where i’m coming from ? Anyhow, do you believe some mistresses would go on national tv and claim they slept with a OutfitGuy and Vh1 would by that shit ! Because I really dont see any Outfit daughters and especailly wives doing that show lol. And you can forget about Kim Fratto doing that show. Marco (not Rudy) shut those dreams down in a instant.
    
    Ironic but you wrote this article about Marco and Dote. Never mind Seymour, but Marco if you stated your case truthfully and with merit could probably get your money back. But after all the articles and this n that you have wrote on Johnny DiFronzo ( i dont know). But Marco probably has your money.
    
    I’ve heard stories Marco has came down hard on Esquire. However their families are close. But again the mob makes strange bedfellows. And Joe Nick’s strange kid Nick is asking Marco and Dote for permission to make book again. Marco and Johnny i’m told through gofers have shelved Nick.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear BA,
      
      How should I have asked the public for said information without putting it in the article?
      
      I do not have any opinions on the Mob Wives show. It is not my cup of tea.
      
      If Marco has my money, it would be a shock to me. Moreover, I would not believe in a million years that Marco has one penny of my money.
      
      Aiuppa shelved Nick in 96 (at least he banished the kid from his presence, shortly before Aiuppa lost touch with reality – he was old). I guess Nick fell off the shelf when Joe died.
      
      Thank you for the information on Marco and Esquire. Do you have any further details?
    - Black Angelo
      
      No Marco would not have your money, but could have access to it. Marco is extremly wealthy (as you have stated) and all his children married wealthy men. But with all the money Marco has access to he does have “bagmen” and one would be Esquire. The creepy attorney will do any thing to be in the company of Marco.
      
      If Marco demanded one million in cash because he wanted to invest in restaurants in Marco Island or Costa Rica.. Esquire could not run over fast enough to deliver said monies to Marco. Esquire uses his money into manipulating Outfit Heavyweights like Marco to like him. And Marco is all for being manipulated by that lol.
      
      It would be like saying dont those young females manipulate and use Hugh Hefner for his money.. when in reality Hugh Hefner has the last laugh because he makes money off of pussy (aka those young females). Hugh has the last laugh… as does Marco and or John DiFronzo from gophers who have big money. Pete DiFronzo has enjoyed being “manipulated” by Inverness developer Sam Zitella for years. And Pete has got ALOT of money.
    - Black Angelo
      
      No Marco would not have your money, but could have access to it. Marco is extremly wealthy (as you have stated) and all his children married wealthy men. But with all the money Marco has access to he does have “bagmen” and one would be Esquire. The creepy attorney will do any thing to be in the company of Marco.
      
      If Marco demanded one million in cash because he wanted to invest in restaurants in Marco Island or Costa Rica.. Esquire could not run over fast enough to deliver said monies to Marco. Esquire uses his money into manipulating Outfit Heavyweights like Marco to like him. And Marco is all for being manipulated by that lol.
      
      It would be like saying dont those young females manipulate and use Hugh Hefner for his money.. when in reality Hugh Hefner has the last laugh because he makes money off of pussy (aka those young females). Hugh has the last laugh… as does Marco and or John DiFronzo from gophers who have big money. Pete DiFronzo has enjoyed being “manipulated” by Inverness developer Sam Zitella for years. And Pete has got ALOT of money.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You are right on about Esq.
      Esq. has wanted to be a gangster since shortly after his father persuaded him against being a priest, which is something he truly wanted during high school. Talk about one extreme to another (However, I wonder which side is truly the bad side, lol).
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You are right on about Esq.
      Esq. has wanted to be a gangster since shortly after his father persuaded him against being a priest, which is something he truly wanted during high school. Talk about one extreme to another (However, I wonder which side is truly the bad side, lol).

Connie_corleone

Mr. Fosco, thank you for throwing in negative remarks when discussing these criminals. Exposing them in this article and casting them in a negative light is the least they deserve for their crimes. Special thanks to all the folks making comments here. You are casting a larger and brighter spotlight on these people who rely on secrecy to conduct their illegal business. Thank you for doing your part in exposing them.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Thank you very much Connie.
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

I am waiting for the alleged nephew of late
Outfit boss Rocky Infelice, who is purportedly Greg Tosto (aka tnttosto), to
weigh in on this article. No doubt, he will likely detract my work (as usual –
with unsubstantiated nonsense) because of his obvious and alleged loyalty to
murderers and other organized criminals, whom he claims to golf with sometimes.

Marco, if you can receive this message, please know that if you
and/or your criminal cohorts sent Rocky’s supposed nephew, Greg Tosto, after
me, it wont work. I am going to continue to exploit every one of you for the
crimes you have committed on our society. Tosto will only drive me to work
harder!
- HF
  
  ???
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    What could I say? I wish ANP could earn royalties from the spin-offs it has sparked. lol
  - Black Angelo
    
    I’m not understanding what this has to do with Outfit affairs or what we are talking about ???
    - HF
      
      It’s SQE

Black Angelo

Joe, the theads are impossible to read down their so i will come up here where their is more space. Okay from reading in a straight line that was your post I could decipher you asking me what Big Moe’s last name was ? correct. Okay his first name is Johnny. And quite honestly i’ve seen him over a 20 year period and nver really knew his last name. I’ve always known him as Moe, Big Moe, or Johnny Moe.

He has the face of a bulldog and fingers look like sausages. He’s very strong looking in appearance and owns a body shop in Maywood. I do know his wifes last name but believe she might go by her maiden name. She is a beautiful woman and nice person and i dont want to say the name if i’m not sure that is also Big Moe’s last name. I dont think that would be right.

This reminds me of the late 1970s and meeting Mike Sarno.. i only knew him as Mike Bryant (Fat Mike Bryant) for years and years. Never cared about his last name unless it was to inquire to see if i knew his relatives (which i never did do for some reason). Anyhow when he got indicted in 1990 was when I put two and two together on Mike Bryant being Sarno.

Again Big Moe has been around for a long time and is in his mid 40′s. He is the Top Boss’s gopher. And also close to sub chair of Cicero/Lake County Solly D and Capo Pudgy Matassa.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Thank you for the information!

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

BA,
Thanks for the information on Moe. Are you at liberty to give his last name? Is his last name not known?

The Don

Joe, I do not like the tone of this article at all. It is laced with sarcasm and hatred towards Marco D’Amico & Tony Dote. It is not at all like the Lee Magnafichi article which was much more genuine and lacking of some ulterior motive like this article. You gave youself away by saying to me that you wanted more dirt. Then when I called you on it, you changed the word. I will not be commenting on this article or any other article in the future where there is an ulterior motive behind it. Go back to writing articles like you did on Sam Giancana or Lee Magnafichi. Some of the articles about John DiFronzo and this one about Marco & Dote are in poor taste. No hard feelings. Buon Natale.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

The Don,
You are continually defending criminals by detracting my work, as you have done from time to time. You are not happy unless a gangster is being somewhat glorified. I am sorry that I cannot always accommodate you. However, if you are willing to pay, I will write you whatever you wish.
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  Postscript (RE: The Don)
  
  Seeking the ‘dirt’ as in the ‘lowdown’ is excellent investigative reporting; and anyone who attempts to detract good work must have an ulterior motive.
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The Don,

Another thought came to mind (sometimes I am slow). If you
are not being told what to do by your relative who is affiliated with the
Outfit during the times you detract my good work of getting the dirt/lowdown on
my subjects, you could very well be afraid. Your identity is easily
discoverable because your Outfit affiliated relative’s identity is not a secret.
If anyone is threatening you, please stand strong. I would be happy to talk
with you in private about this. I know how it feels to live in fear. However, in
the meantime, if you are afraid, perhaps you should consider assuming a new
moniker. I truly hope all is well.
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The Don,

Another thought came to mind (sometimes I am slow). If you
are not being told what to do by your relative who is affiliated with the
Outfit during the times you detract my good work of getting the dirt/lowdown on
my subjects, you could very well be afraid. Your identity is easily
discoverable because your Outfit affiliated relative’s identity is not a secret.
If anyone is threatening you, please stand strong. I would be happy to talk
with you in private about this. I know how it feels to live in fear. However, in
the meantime, if you are afraid, perhaps you should consider assuming a new
moniker. I truly hope all is well.
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Readers:
Again, to reiterate, The Don was one of the driving forces behind my decision to do this piece on Marco. That coupled with the fact that The Don’s uncle is currently involved (or recently) with the Chicago Outfit and his uncles identity is known, I contend that it is possible The Don fell away from this article after feebly attempting to detract it because he is afraid of Marco more than any other living Outfit guy today. With that being said, I would like to reach out (again) to The Don, by inviting him to email me for a private conversation, as I wish to be somewhat of a support base for him (if fear is the issue). I have vast experience in knowing how to deal with fear.
- The Don
  
  You got the right idea.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Attention readers:

For those of you who have not noticed, ANP’s organized crime pieces are not compatible for people who like the bad guys. If you have reached this site in error, please consider finding a different site suitable to your interests.

I wish to thank everyone who contributed constructive criticism and I implore you to continue aiding me in my crusade to expose criminals for the world to see. Again, thank you.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The Don,

Another thought came to mind (sometimes I am slow). If you
are not being told what to do by your relative who is affiliated with the
Outfit during the times you detract my good work of getting the dirt/lowdown on
my subjects, you could very well be afraid. Your identity is easily
discoverable because your Outfit affiliated relative’s identity is not a secret.
If anyone is threatening you, please stand strong. I would be happy to talk
with you in private about this. I know how it feels to live in fear. However, in
the meantime, if you are afraid, perhaps you should consider assuming a new
moniker. I truly hope all is well.

borisbalkan737

if you wrote about john difronzo and other outfit guys without mentioning the negative things known about them, you would lack objectivity by ignoring the obvious. i think this is fair reporting. the lee mags article was good too because you mention the violence he was involved in.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear Boris,
I feel the same way. Thank you. However, I will admit that I try to be a little harder on the living gangsters because they are an eminent threat on society.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Joe Nick’s kid became an icon to the young kids. I agree, he loves the gangster lifestyle. What could I say, he is under the influence of a criminal enterprise, despite the fact that it does not appreciate him as much as he loves it.
Thank you for the information.

Black Angelo

Nick Ferriola is a Icon ??? lol that may be the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time. That kid is a goof and has lost his marbles. I wonder how prison treated the delicate man.
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  An icon among the younger group, which means an icon among many goofs. lol

The German

Ban the Don. Joe- he doesnt get it!! The guy is schizo! I knew what he was going to write before he wrote it though…the guy is predictable! Unless you are keeping the guy on for entertainment purposes…..

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The German,
Thank you for your support. However, The Don is worth keeping. Among the things I value most about him is his ability to provide me with ongoing opportunities to plead my case in defense of what my detractors say about me. Many of my other supporters appreciate it too.
The Don

German you have no idea what you’re talking about at all. I’ve actually helped Joe in a couple ways you would never understand. I’ve contributed overall knowlegde about the structure of the Oufit over the last year more than anyone else who has ever commented on here or written a book. When it comes to an outright attack on people alive and in power, I have to back out. Apology accepted.
- Black Angelo
  
  Well Stated Don. Buon Natale or more like Happy Hanuka ya Jew lol
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    The Don,
    If you wish to bow out from time to time for various reasons, feel free to simply remain silent (instead of detracting).
    Almost all of the readers here never comment at all.
    - The Don
      
      Joe, I agree. Could you please forward to my email the password or whatever is needed to go on the Realdeal forum. Rick said that some of the guys on there were very impressed with Horsey, Black Angelo & The Don ( me ). You can only go on if they’ve checked you out and invite you to be on there. Maybe sometimes I would like to go on there and talk to Rick and a couple other guys and set them straight about Chicago. LOL. I understand that the top guys on that site don’t hate the Mafia. That might be better suited for me at least sometimes when I have to remain silent about a few things I read on ANP. Would you be so kind as to emil the password or whatever I need to go on it. Thank You.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      All I have is an email to the person who runs the site. I will ask him if it is okay to give it out. thank you.
  - The Don
    
    Same to you, you Irish prick. LOL

The German

I dont care much about the Don, but I dig BA and HF…I hope I dont incur their wrath….I like my moniker “The German”….If I piss them off I’ll have to post under a different one….

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The German,
I see you are astute. Since I could identify your email address, I realize that you are not a newcomer to ANP; however, you usually visit through facebook. Thank you for coming over to this side. As a new kid on the block in our message board neighborhood, you will notice that our prolific commenters (mentioned in your previous message) do have some power here and are supportive of each other. I would refrain from calling anyone here names such as ‘schizo’ from this point. Offering good information or asking intelligent questions should get you invited to the block party committee in no time. Again, welcome to the neighborhood.
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The German,
One of my assistants contacted Carmine’s Restaurant several weeks ago inquiring about booking ANP’s Christmas party. The agent within the restaurant group lulled me prior to confirming until it was too late to get in anywhere. Therefore, I will be unable to invite you (or anyone) to the Christmas party this year because we are not having one. I thought it would be a neat experience to do it at Carmines. It would have provided an opportunity for me to do some work at the same time.
- HF
  
  Not sure what you mean by “wrath.” I’m not much of a wrath kinda guy. Please to make your acquaintance anyway, The German.

HF

c.1994

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

What’s this?
- Black Angelo
  
  That is Tony Dote in November of 1994 after he was indicted along with Marco and Marco’s other crew members.. Marco was held without bail hence why he did not emerge from the Federal Building on Dearborn. Fyi that was before Seymour got his gastric by bass surgery.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Thank you.

The German

Likewise HF

HF

Joe, look what Santa Claus emailed me.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Interesting. I have not given up on writing something on him. I will get to it.
The German

no!!!

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

To whoever asserted that rumors suggested that John Fecarotta was murdered because he exposed his female companion to classified Outfit matters:

I called John Fecarotta’s lady today to ask her if John ever brought her to a meeting where serious Outfit business was conducted. She laughed as she told me that John never exposed her to anything in his business dealings.

HF

Joe, that was me; I was recapitulating what was submitted during the trial. Let me ask you a question: Was the lady you recently spoke to once Fecarotta’s sister-in-law?
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  The woman I spoke with today was much closer to John than a sister-in-law.
  - Kkanz
    
    it must have been marge,nice lady…
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I plead the 5th.
  - HF
    
    Again, Joe, let me reexplain what I understood the situation to be. This is not my interpretation; this is what was submitted at the trial. There was a chain of events that led to Fecarotta’s killing. The part involving ‘the woman’ goes like this:
    
    Nick Calabrese and John Fecarotta were stationed out west–I think AZ–to plan and carry out a murder. They were out there for a significant period of time.No one was supposed to know where they were or what they were up to. While they were out there, Fecarotta was supposedly visited by his sister-in-law and her children, which Nick found to be unusual, considering the reason they were out there (i.e., to kill a guy). For some reason, Nick determined that Fecarotta & his sister-in-law were having a sexual relationship. This seemed to fit a pattern of increasingly unusual behavior by Fecarotta, who abruptly abandoned the assignment, returning home to Chicago without permission.Nick reported Fecarotta’s behavior to his brother, Frank, who unfortunately took it to the table with the bosses who decided to kill Big John in 1986. Frank did not like Fecarotta and had it in for him for a long time.I was not saying that Fecarotta involved this woman in his business–e.g., that she was in the room while they were discussing the murder, etc. It was at trial that John had this visitor–his sister-in-law–while he was out west on Outfit business.That is why I asked you if the woman you spoke with was his sister-in-law. She was the woman involved in this situation.
    - HF
      
      I meant, ”
      It was SUBMITTED at trial that John had this visitor–his sister-in-law–while he was out west on Outfit business.” I hope that makes more sense.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I will call her tomorrow and ask her if she ever visited him in AZ. If she did, chances are that she might not have been exposed to anything other than his gentle touch. lol
    - HF
      
      It could have been Vegas or even somewhere in CA, but I’m pretty sure it was AZ. She may have only been out there a short time (maybe an afternoon or something) and might not have even known Nick and other Chicago guys were out there with him.
      
      I am without further details, though I know the Fecarotta murder was the first one Nick admitted to. Family Secrets snowballed from there. If the Spilotro murders were the crown jewel(s) of the case, the Fecarotta murder was its cornerstone.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

American News Post is proud to announce that a tipster contacted us today with information (that I am not at liberty to discuss now) that caused me to refer the matter to the FBI.
Keep up the good work!

HF

Joe, was your family acquainted with Nick Sarillo? He was blown up–but miraculously not killed–in car bombing carried out by James Marcello and Frank Calabrese. This incident was encompassed in Family Secrets but for some reason Sarillo’s name was not mentioned; he was identified as “Individual A.” This has always interested me because Sarillo was very good friends with James Marcello who spearheaded the attack. I remember something about a dispute over money with Joe Amato–nothing involving Marcello–but that’s about it. (Sorry if this is off topic.)

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

I know my father knew Joe Amato. However, offhand I do not know of a connection to Sarillo.

Emmett_Kelly

thanks for the idea–i’m going to be 1983 Tony Dote for halloween next year. i just have to make sure i don’t walk anywhere near an elementary school dressed like that, or the cops will immediately detain me and check my name against the illinois sex offender registry. i wish the the photo was cropped a little lower so we could get a look at what are certainly a pair of big, red clown shoes.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear Emmett,
I agree. At a glance I thought it was John Gacy dressed as Pogo the Clown.

The Don

Joe, Thank You. Rick had said on one of the previous threads that he had given you the password to go on REALDEAL forum. In fact, I think you used it once to go on there. Rick wanted to send it to me specifically and wanted you to forward it to me. I appreciate your help on this matter. Also, may I make a very honest statement without upsetting any of the Outfit haters out there, including you? I wish the Outfit was more powerful like it was in the good old days. Being connected to it from an arm’s length has been nothing but profitable for me ever since I was a teenager through college and into adult life. Whenever there was a problem, or whenever I was up against something in the American system that was bullshit or unfair, the Oufit in one way or another always came through for me. Women always wanted to go out with good looking Italian guys who knew their way around the street and had some kind of connections to get shit done. The Oufit guys keep their word and if you are loyal to them, and keep a respectful arm’s length, it can be very benefical. These guys know how to get shit done. Now that I’ve probably upset a few people, I don’t really care because I enjoy seeing the Italians have power and be somehow connected to it. If I can balance myself between the Outfit haters ( ANP ) & the Oufit lovers ( REALDEAL ), then I personally will be more happy and have less arguements with you, especially during the times when I need to keep silent. Despite our differences, I do like you. You are just coming at it from a different perspective than me because I never encountered your problems. Your thoughts?

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear The Don,

I received my password, which is not a general password. Each member gets his or her own password. I have not logged in yet.

In part, I empathize with your sentiments about the Outfits effect of yesteryear. Most of us from Chicago with Italian lineage were raised to appreciate the Outfit. It was because the Outfit had a number of good benefits for some (only some), aside from the mass murders and beatings (as well as other serious crimes). My family made millions of dollars because of the Outfit (I personally never made a dime off the Outfit). Unfortunately, my portion of that is gone. However, the bottom line is that the Outfit is (and always was) a criminal enterprise. I am proud of the Americans who have Italian lineage, who made fortunes in legitimate enterprises (there are many who have done so). One of the many reasons American News Post is here, is to help set a distinction between the two different groups of Americans with Italian lineage – the good from the bad. If you are an American with Italian lineage and have not been placed under ANP’s spotlight, you are good (in almost every case).
- The Don
  
  Joe, On the Lee Magnafichi threads, Rick specifially asked me for my email address. Is there a way that you can email Rick and give him my email address? If not, can you at least email Rick and get a password for me from him and then forward it to me? that was his intention. I appreciate your help. I will still comment on ANP. I just want to have a balance. I will speak very favorably about ANP. As far as the Oufit always being a criminal Organization, that doesn’t bother me at all. Much better than the Roman Catholic Criminal Organization or the White House Criminal Organization or the C.I.A. Criminal Organization. The only difference is that the Outfit has always been more honest about it.
  - The Don
    
    Joe & Black Angelo, Black Angelo brought up a very good point earlier in the threads which I would like you to think about and of which I will expand upon. Your friend and made man Michael Mags did absolutely nothing to help you when you were having your problems. Don’t stick up for him because I know the whole story. He did fucking nothing. Now, I do not know what Johnny was told but I do know that Fratto owed Johnny money for some reason. Do you see where I’m going with this information? It was all engineered by Fratto ( made guy) and he used his associate Esq. who also involved Dr. Pill Pusher ( the homosexual activity expert) .LOL. If Mike Mags was really your friend, he would have helped you or he would have directed you to Marco for help. If you had gone to Marco about this back in 2006 or 2007, before you started ANP, before you filed the Rico lawsuit, before you wrote some of those articles about DiFronzo, he probably could have helped you, for a reasonable cut of the money, and you probably would have gotten some of it back. Fratto ran some of these scams without the approval or sometimes knowledge of DiFronzo. DiFronzo doesn’t always know the exact source of some of the money that is owed to him. He just knows approximately what his cut is from the particular activity. If one of his men or one of the other Bosses comes up short, that particular guy might literally go out and rob or scam somebody for it. Difronzo may not know anything about it. All he knows is that his end from the racket is twenty thousand and the made guy is handing him his tweny thousand. He actually is a very fair Boss. He is not overly greedy. He was very fair with Ciotti. Ciotti had the deal of his fucking life! DiFronzo did not engineer the scam on you. For all he knew, maybe he was told you owed Fratto money. I just wanted to point this out to you. I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m just pointing out a few details that you should consider. Black Angelo, your thoughts?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don,
      
      I am going to avoid the redundancy of responding to much of your message. However, I will simply state that no matter DiFronzo’s good points, he is the boss of a gang of killers and other criminals, who has committed murders himself (according to sources).
      
      The internet is a large place. Perhaps one could start a DiFronzo fan club website. Personally, I would not condone such a site.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Postscript (The Don):
      
      One point I will touch on. I have gone back and forth numerous times analyzing Michael and our friendship. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I do not. In his defense, I will state that Michael did offer some reasonable advice to me on how to handle the extortion/death threat matter. In addition, he was extremely unstable by then, caught up in his own demons. Moreover, Fratto began a tremendous smear campaign on the street against me since the very early 2000s (referring to me as a snitch – it was not until the inception of ANP in 2008 that I made Fratto’s wish come true to some degree, however, I will go on record for saying that I had not personally referred a matter to the FBI until 12/21/11, which was my first direct initiative to inform the FBI of an alleged Outfit related criminal situation – thanks to ANP and many others, including Infelice’s alleged nephew, Greg Tosto, for giving me the energy to keep going). With what Fratto lodged against me as early as the early 2000s (and after) being in place, no way would Marco risk associating with me, especially when he was on parole at that time. And, let us not forget that my protest against Cerone and Fratto (phone harassment case) began in 2004. In other words, as soon as Marco came home, he was hearing about a man named Joe Fosco, at the time when I was falsely rumored to be a snitch, who was harassing Cerone and Fratto (protesting). With the widely known unstable Michael Magnafichi being my only way to Marco at such a crucial time in my existence, again, while Marco was on parole, makes for a total impossibility in connecting me to Marco for the purposes of working together for the greater cause. No reasonable person who has one bit of knowledge on the Outfit could disagree with me. And for the aforementioned reasons, I never once considered Marco as a viable solution to any of my problems. In fact the only person I considered leaning toward for help was Joey A, however, my closeness to Michael, who already had problems with Joe kept me from pursuing Joe’s help in a full force manner.
      
      I believe that Fratto’s biggest resentment against me in the early 2000s was the fact that I was close to a number of prominent people, I was extremely financially solvent and I never paid him one bit of respect when in his company. I believe Cerone and Fratto were both jealous of my closeness to Buddy Ciotti as well. I could go on for a while longer, but I did not want to go on this long. I will end here.
    - The Don
      
      They knew you were no snitch. I completely DISAGREE with you on that point. That’s why you were threatened SO YOU WOULDN’T BE A SNITCH. As far as Marco being able to help you in 2007, two years after he had been home, who really knows and it’s water over the damn. I agree there’s no point in speculating about it. I don’t know Mike Mags personally, but he has no substance and I would almost put him in the same catagory as Frank Calabrese Jr. I have no respect for the guy at all. You were/are a much better friend to him than he is/was to you in my humble stupid opinion.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Yes, they knew I was not a snitch, but purported me as one in order to make me defenseless and keep anyone who might consider helping me 1000-miles away from me. Get it?
      Comparing Michael to Frank Jr is like comparing white to brown. Federal witness, testifying against ones father, pretending to be Outfit free, but hanging out with DiFronzo’s personal assistant are all things that Michael is not.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I wish to point out that i do not judge Frank Jr on his decision to inform on his dad and work with the FBI. Who knows what his reason were – really were. He put away a killer – a killer that would have likely killed him. I admit I would have ran away from my father if i thought he was going to kill me, instead of putting him in jail. However, the one issue I do have with JR is the fact that he would associate with DiFronzo’s personal assistant after telling the world he is done with the Outfit. I see him as a fraud – a major fraud.
    - The Don
      
      Thank you. I know he is a major fraud and a thief. I know Mike Mags isn’t as bad as him. I don’t like or trust either of them, but I agree Junior is worse.
    - The Don
      
      Joe, DiFronzo’s good points and the fact that Marco might have helped you are the minor points. You ignored the major point. Mike Mags didn’t do shit to help you. Not the act of a friend. That’s the part you need to examine the next time he gets caught stealing and wants you to help him.
    - Black Angelo
      
      I agree with everything you said The Don, like a friggin broken record sometimes. But I agree 110 %. And Joe Fosco no need to patronize The Don on this, I beleive he is only trying to help you or tell you your friend Mike “5 finger Discount” Magnafichi stood idle when you really needed help. I’m not saying Mike was not a good friend back then or now… but he stood idle and did nothing to help you.
      
      And Johnny DiFronzo has ordered bombings, killings, and probably killed OutfitGuys himself (all though he has not been convicted of any of those allegations). End of the day he is in the same life as Willie Messino, Mike Mags was in. You live in the Life, You die by that very Life. That doesnt have anything to do with Greed AT ALL ! From what I know about Bananas (which is fairly alot) he is certainly not a greedy man. And is cunning enough to not piss of kids of OutfitGuys (meaning yourself).
      
      Fast Forward to 2005 Marco Damico is released… Fratto and Esquire practically stalking Marco and kissing his ass at his Welcome Back party. I do know of one person Marco ordered Esquire to pay monies to who is not a Outfit Member. I blame you not going to Marco or Johnny not on YOU but Michael. Because Michael had access to both of those individuals. Hell even Andriacchi he had access to.
      
      I’m not so sure if you get a sit down w/ Marco or Johnny in 2005-2007 they dont come to an understanding and give you some of your monies back or rule on your behalf.
      
      I know you dont know Marco (real well at least). But the reason so many people like and love the man (young and old) is because he is generous with his wealth, he is a tremendous earner, he is tough as nails and wouldnt tell another Outfit up and comer to do something he wouldnt do or already has done, and most importantly HE HAS ALWAYS LOOKED OUT FOR childeren/relatives of Outfit Members living and or deceased. You can call him an alcoholic or this and that… but their are hundreds upon hundreds of men and woman his age, old enough to be his kids or grandkids that dont have anything bad to say about him or will even go as far to tell you how great he is.
      
      However he is still ruthless, if you gamble with him or take a loan from him.. he lays the terms out, if you understand the terms. Then Game is On. ‘You reap what you sew’ Mental illness or not. End of the day the people that may or maynot like Marco like Andriacchi and or Willie Messino are just jealous of the power Johnny D have given to Marco. Cerone Sr, Andriacchi, and Willie Messino may have not liked Marco for some odd reasons. But Aiuppa, Turk, and DiFronzo Love/Loved Marco!!
      To use a poker analogy Marco has had a ‘straight flush’ in the Outfit since 1958 !
      
      Call it what you want but I would not of been surprised if Marco sided with you just based on the Merits. And FYI Johnny almost never goes against Marco on a descion he is making about financial going ons or which money is going to who or whom or anything for that matter. If Marco wanted Lt Zizzo out of the way Johnny would not hesitate in giving Marco the Okay. Bottom line I believe Marco would of scolded Fratto and Esquire and gave your money back.
    - The Don
      
      Black Angelo, Thank you. I was only trying to tell him about the lack of action by Mike Mags and the possible help from Marco. Joe might take it better from you because when I start to tell him some of these things, he gets angry and arguementative with me and then I get pissed off sometimes about it. Thank you for listening to me. I’ve heard a lot about how Johnny & Marco think and act about certain things from listening to my relative. Pretty Boy loves those two Bosses and thinks they are very fair. Mike Mags is an embarrassment and has no substance.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don & BA,
      You could mitigate the circumstances of deadly criminals who are still active all you wish. Why stop at killers who are gangsters. Perhaps you could move along to killer clowns and begin researching if John Gacy was a good contractor. Maybe Gacy gave senior citizens special discounts like no other contractor in Chicago. We know he was a popular entertainer for small children (without incident).
      As far as Michael goes, I am perfectly satisfied with what he did to help me and it is between him and me.
      I am happy the two of you had a chance to vent your frustrations.
    - Black Angelo
      
      You obviously have a BAZAAR fascination with John Gacy. All you ever bring up is his cocksucking name to make your pts of people who blend in with society all the while being a killer. Anyhow Maybe Willie Messino is more like John Gacy than Johnny DiFronzo and or Marco Damico. On second thought John Gacy was convicted of murder and being a serial killer, when did John DiFronzo, Marco and even Willie (who was from the same ilk as Marco/Johnny) when did they get convicted of murder and or killing young boys ? Answer that one since you want to play hardball. Your John Gacy comparisons are pathetic and not even good. Quit saying his name or using him as an example, i cant take it anymore. Fuckin A
    - The Don
      
      Joe, Your comparison of Marco or even John DiFronzo to Gacy are embarrasing to you. I hope Rick & a couple of the other top guys from RealDeal Forum don’t read some of your postings. You’re also making false accusations about people with no proof. The dumbest thing you ever said ( which I called you on) was that DiFronzo got some kind of sexual satisfaction during acts of violence. If Willie told you that bullshit, then Willie was senile and obviously losing it at the end.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don and BA,
      
      Are we back on the kick where we are pretending that gangsters are not killers? lol
      
      What is the difference between one who takes a human life from another who takes a human life? A murderer is a murderer. If one has sex with the dead body or the other dices it up into little pieces, what is the difference? It is all pure evil.
      
      In your opinion, is it a little more legitimate to kill an adult than a teenager?
      
      What is you fascination with gangsters? You people want to start an argument on who are the better killers in society. Lol
      
      Thousands of readers follow these threads and you two issue the most comments. Most readers do not comment at all. You two enjoy bragging about your favorite gangster, who seems to be Marco. However, neither of you have any concern for calling him an Outfit boss or Capo (or whatever you call him). Do you think he is proud of your comments? Marco does not want to be mentioned at all on the internet – not for good or bad reasons. You are upsetting him as much as I am.
      
      You both seem confused. You are on a site that is structured to exploit active criminals. You obviously have an interest in defending some of the criminals mentioned on this site, but by defending them, you are confirming their present involvement in an illegal enterprise (interesting defense fellows).
      
      As to your name-calling:
      Sticks and stones may break my bones…
    - The Don
      
      Then give me & Black Angelo the fucking password and we’ll go on RealDeal forum so we don’t have to talk to someone standing on a hypocrtical soapbox all the time. We want to talk about Organized Crime, not about moral beliefs. Get it.
    - Black Angelo
      
      Exactly
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      ANP is here for discussions on the Outfit. You have discussed for hundreds of hours. Did you forget?
      Rick comes on here periodically. Simply post a message for him asking if I could give either one of you his email address. If he approves, I will put you in touch with him. As I said earlier, the password that I received is exclusively mine.
      Fellows, you should start your own site. Its not very expensive if you do all the work yourself, without an editor and IT person as I have with me.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      If SQE could have her own site or the illiterate, emotionally stunted, alleged, nephew of the dumbest Outfit boss in history could do it – anyone could have his or her own site. Lol
      
      PS (as a side note):
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTX405_ga6I
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    The Don,
    
    I believe I have done so (Rick/email).
    
    While I have not spoken out about the CIA, I have not ignored the wrongdoings committed by the Catholic Church.
    
    See here:
    
    http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/1037/should-we-endorse-someone-that-considers-a-pedophile-friendly-archbishop-worthy-of-special-perks-and-benefits/
    
    http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/1029/grandpa-and-dad-fr-jim-is-a-real-man-of-god/
    
    http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/850/on-behalf-of-ktf-media-group-happy-easter/
    
    http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/186/cardinal-george-shame-on-you/
    
    http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/182/bishop-raymond-goedert-likes-to-think-the-roman-catholic-chuch-is-%E2%80%9Cconcerned-for-the-children%E2%80%A6%E2%80%9D/
    
    http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/172/do-chicago-catholics-have-the-right-to-know-if-cardinal-francis-george-and-father-daniel-flens-are-more-than-%E2%80%98just-friends%E2%80%99/

Horsey F@rt

Don & Black Ang,

Relax, guys. If this thread is problematic, post remarks and get conversations going on another ANP thread, the way people have always done. There’s no reason to quit ANP.

The Don

I don’t think Black Angelo or I want to quit ANP. We just like to have intelligent discussions about Organize Crime, in particular, the Chicago Outfit of which we are both very knowledgable. We don’t want to participate in an Outfit Haters club which is the main focus of Joe Fosco and this article that he has posted. Joe has become obsessed with some moral mission that he’s on and sounds like some Jesus Freak continually preaching about morality. Black Angelo & I don’t want to hear about it anymore, do not agree with it, and see the hypocrisy in it. Joe’s mission in life is to hurt any active Outfit guy. That is not my mission nor the mission of Black Angelo. The minute Joe started in with all of his moral hypocrisy ( the Outfit never bothered him before 2001, nor did it ever bother his father or Uncle Romie), Rick, who I liked, immediatley backed off and hasn’t been on here again. Black Angelo and I do not want to hear a moral lesson preached to us over & over again by Joe Fosco standing on a soapbox. I know that Joe’s Uncle Romie & Joe’s father earned well over all the money Joe has allegedly paid back to a copuple members of the Outfit for one reason or another. I suggest that if Joe is really serious about his deep moral convictions and preachings, then he should find a way to pay back to society ALL the money his Uncle Romie & father made with the Outfit. When that happens, then Black Angelo and I will build a 20 foot high podium for Joe to stand on so he can preach about all the moral issues of the Outfit on the corner of Harlem & North Ave.
- Horsey F@rt
  
  I’m pretty sure the reason Rick disappeared from the ANP threads is because he isn’t really interested in the Outfit, except for the 1950′s and earlier. This current article is focused on what’s occurring nowadays, so it’s well outside of his scope of interest. Rick is a part-time researcher / crime historian and authored a really good article about an old-time (pre-Capone era) Chicago gangster. I can’t give the name of the article because it would reveal Rick’s real name, and I don’t have permission to do that. I think you will find that Rick doesn’t have any particular appreciation for real-life gangsters. It’s just a hobby for him.
  - Black Angelo
    
    Horse, It seems like all those researchers from that era think Joe B was bigger than he really was ! Dont get me wrong Joe B had major power out west in Chicago but never and I mean NEVER told Mooney what to do… or placed Obrien (Aiuppa) in leadership. Alot of those researchers need to stay Pre Capone because they did not understand the power of the Street Crews. One of those researchers was interviewed by Goudie on the ABC7 I-Team clip featuring Marco, Greedy P, and Johnny DiFronzo going out for lunch at the old Loon in 2009.
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      Right, that was John Binder who is some kind of professor of finance or economics at the University of Illinois–Chicago. His claim to fame is that he owns one of the most extensive collections of Chicago Outfit photographs from the prohibition days up until the present time. I actually corresponded with him for a while via email. He wrote a book about the Outfit (Aracadia Pub., 2003), and my previous employer was interested in having him come in as a guest speaker. (It never happened, but I can’t remember why.) I could be wrong, but I think Binder also hosts local “mob tours” too. Judging from his book, his understanding of the Outfit is what you might expect–very conventional–though I supposed that could have changed if he started reading ANP. As for JB, I believe he was extremely powerful and influential, but I don’y buy into the “Accardo Mythos” that has developed over the years. (I also don’t believe that Accardo was the ‘man behind the curtain’ during the Giancana era, either.) I realize that you and The Don might part ways with me here, but I actually do believe that JB was top boss for a very short period of time before he got tangled up in his tax case in the early fifties. (I think he was only boss for about as long as Battaglia and Milwaukee Phil, which was not very long.) Gus Russo obtained previously unreleased FBI documents and wiretap transcripts when he was doing research for his two books. (Russo is the first one to refute Roemer in print–he seemed to think Roemer was a braggart, and at times, a disingenuous clown.) Anyway, Russo includes some information in his first book that would indicate that Accardo was #1 for at least a little while. I think part of the reason his legendary status developed and increased over the years is largely because of his ability to stay out of prison. From what I understand, though, if the illegal FBI wiretaps were ever made admissible, JB’s mafia career would have been derailed long, long before he passed away.
    - Black Angelo
      
      Horse, Spot on. Actually about a month ago I was talking to my source and his father personally knew Joe B.. anyhow he said the Outfit has always been secrective (maybe even more now) at least their are wiretaps of Mooney and Joe B discussing their power. The last we have of that kind of thing was Frank Sr caught explaining things. Or when Marco and Johnny where caught on wire throughing their weight around and displaying their power (but that was in the 1980s and led to Operation Gambat).
      
      Anyhow my source believes for a short period from 1955 till around 1956/57 Joe B was in fact Top Boss. Ricca after being released in 1949 from Leavenworth was impressed that Joe B kept things together in Chicago with the guidance of Tony Cap. My source came to the strong conclusion from talking to his father, his other relatives and a something DiFronzo once said that Tony Cap was actually named Top Boss of the entire Outfit in 1950 by Ricca.
      
      Ricca went Chairman after he was released in 49 to futher insulate himself (although as history would dectate it would not help him, because he went to prison again). But yes Tony Cap was Top Boss and headed the strongest street crew Elmwood Park. His untimely death in 1955 opened the door for Joe B who by default of being the underboss to Cap became boss.
      
      Now this is what makes Mooneys rise even more legend. Nobody really knows what postion Mooney ever really held in the Outfit from about 1943 till 56/57 and he pulled off the biggest coup in Outfit history by becomimg # 1 (Top Boss). It seems his powerbase was so overwhelming and also connected to Ricca via Taylor Street that is what folded Joe B’s short run.
      
      Mooney was a monalithic money maker for the Outfit and Ricca (like Marco was and is to DiFronzo). That he (Mooney) had Ricca’s ear. Next thing you know Mooney makes Joe B ‘a believer’ and the rest is history.
      
      My source also told me an interseting story about a time he was having a drink with Johnny DiFronzo and 3 other men and Johnny was talking about in the early early 1950s when he first moved to Elmwood Park to raise his young family and that Joe Gags was telling him the Top Guy was very impressed with what he was hearing about this Bananas kid and happy he had made his residence their (in EP coming from Grand Ave).
      
      My source said one of the guys in the group said to Johnny “So Batters was impressed by you huh” and Johnny looked at him sideways and said “nah Cap” (meaning Tony Capezio). But of course no one was more powerful than Ricca.
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      I understand that Mooney had been moonlighting as a driver for different Outfit guys, and that this is what first exposed him to Ricca. Ricca and the other top guys fell in love with Giancana when he muscled his way into the African American numbers operation (without murdering anyone), which turned into a major cash cow for the Outfit. Capone got along well with blacks and left the numbers games to them, in the interest of getting along. Giancana’s move against the blacks later was viewed as being extremely shrewd but very innovative.
    - The Don
      
      Happy Holidays to you Horsey, Yes, it was a very shrewd move. Mooney found out about the policy racket when he was in prison. Ricca okayed it. Ricca is the one who really loved Mooney and pictured him as the future. Accardo, always looked at Mooney more as somewhat of a rival. Another guy from the Taylor St. area that Ricca loved was Sammy DeStefano. DeStefano was of course direct with mooney & Ricca, but actually more with Ricca.
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      Happy Holidays to you, too. It would be nice if someone wrote a book about Ricca some day. I have heard conflicting things about his life. It sure would make for an interesting read.
    - The Don
      
      Black Angelo, Close but not exact. I hear what you’re saying, but during the time frame to which you’re referring, it really becomes a matter of semantics. In other words, Accardo may have temporarily been more of the day to day Boss for a short period of time, ( similar to Marco), but Ricca was ALWAYS above Accardo and had a tremendous power base that was growing very rapidly ( West side Taylor st. ). the only difference in comparing Ricca/Accardo to DiFronzo/ Marco is that Ricca and Accardo were from two different Crews & Difronzo & Marco are of the Same crew which makes their alliance very strong. ( just like Ricca/ Mooney ). i still maintain Accardo was never really the Top Boss at any time because of Ricca, in the same way Marco is not exactly the Very Top Boss because of DiFronzo. if Johnny died tomorrow, then Marco would be the Top boss, period.
    - Black Angelo
      
      Don, I never compared Ricca/Accardo to Marco/DiFronzo but did compare Ricca/Mooney to Marco/DiFronzo… I guess Joe B would be similiar to Andriacchi now day. A powerful jealous man with his prick in the air runnin Grand Ave from a far.
      
      And Horse I understand how Mooney made his move to the top. But what i’m saying was I dont know what “official” label he had in the Outfit from 1946 – 56 He went from running moonshine, to muscling in on the numbers game to becoming Top Boss.
      
      His right hand man in the muscling aspect and deal making of taking over the African American numbers racket was Leonard “Fat Lenny” Caifano.
      
      At first alot of deal making was going on within the policy racket with Eddie Jones.. Mooney made him a offer he could not refuse. At the end of the 1940s early 1950s the takeover of the racket got violent w/ Teddy Roe being a major roadblock.
      
      Fat Lenny went back to his base (Taylor Street) and brought in a young Turk Torello and his sidekick Joe Nick to help with the “muscling” aspect of the takeover of the number games on the westside (and southside).
      
      Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovoto to Joe Fosco Gacy and all you filfthy dirtballs that visit and contribute to this site.
    - The German
      
      100% accurate.
    - The Don
      
      Thanks German, Are you Italian? I was just curious? Anyway, you must have a least some knowledge about the Outfit and it couldn’t have all come from books because what you agreed was 100% accurate is only something certain people would know.
    - The German
      
      Not Italian, but raised around them. Related to them. After observing things for 25 years, listening, putting things together, using logic, what you said above is 100% accurate. Books are useful in that if you are smart you can tell when they are way off, and then you figure out the real story on your own or by listening to informed sources. Buon Natale!!
    - The German
      
      and another thing I know enough that I don’t want to hear anymore about Nick Gio…..
    - The Don
      
      Right on, Brother!

Anonymous

Joe, I have been reading an enjoying your and your readers postings for over a year. My dad grew up around Grand and Ogden and knew many of outfit guys most who are dead or in jail now. I grew up further down Grand Ave but had many friends around Grand and Western, I am not Italian but most of my friend were and many had relative involved. I was treating great because I was good in sports but non Italians that were not were consider hillbilly’s. My point is that yes everyone can be good at times but you are 100% correct these people are killings or theives, criminals and have hurt society more than they have helped and yes they can be compared to inner city street gangs or a killer like John Gacy. I realize it must be hard to be negative because your love and respect for those that were close to you,that is why I say thank you for bringing all this to attention and for being honest.
ThanksType your comment here.

The Don

Outfit Guys are nothing like inner city street gangs. There is no comparison. Outfit guys are nothing like John Gacy who mudered and sexually molested young boys. You’re comparisons are fucking stupid and way off.
- Dafonz! d
  
  Once a beefer always a beefer Don. Your the biggest baby on ANP. Do you know why your uncle Joe never brought u into the outfit? Because your nothing but a crybaby. U would have lasted one day without getting. Smacked. If u dont get credit in the smallest way u cry. Your nothing but a contributor jus t like the rest of us. If u dont like whats being said than take your comments to that crappy RealDeal. That site sucks anyway.
  MOnce
  - The Don
    
    I never wanted to be in the Oufit, dumbshit.
    - Black Angelo
      
      LOL
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Ouch
  - Dom
    
    LOL
    - The Don
      
      Dom, How are things down in da Heights? Merry Christmas from The Don!
    - Dom
      
      Merry Christmas to you and everyone else on ANP.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Merry Christmas to you and yours.
  - The Don
    
    Tony, Five Finger Discount & Dafonz! d, I’m surprised you made that silly comment above me! I didn’t know it was you. Oh well, sorry I upset you in some way. No hard fellings, I always liked you. I’m really pretty far from being a cry baby if you really knew me. I never wanted to be in the Outfit. I just liked being around it from an arm’s length. I actually stood up to my Uncle two years ago about something personal where he was wrong and actually yelled at him and told him off. Haven’t talked to him since. Believe me, that took guts. Sometimes I argue with Joe over philosophical differences and it gets a litte heated, but in the end it’s really no big deal. It’s almost like two siblings who clash a lot but if an outsider attacked one of them, the other would come to his defense. Happy Holidays Tony and again no hard feelings on my part at all. I’ve been called a lot worse than a crybaby. LOL
- The German
  
  Placing a guy on a meat hook through his rectum, breaking his knees with hammers, applying cattle prods; placing a man’s head in a vice and lighting face on fire with lighter fluid; using a blowtorch on a man tied to a chair; Slicing flesh off a man; 12 (maybe more) guys using hands and feet to kill 2 men. Individuals that kill like this have a lot in common with killers like Gacy. Lets forget for a moment murder is wrong to begin with. Why the need for torture murders? Isn’t a .22 to the back of the head behind the right ear a lot cleaner and faster?
  
  Anybody that admires people that have the stomach to butcher any human being needs help.
  - The Don
    
    Yes, a .22 to the back of the head right behind the right ear is a lot cleaner and faster. That’s how it was usually done when it happened in the past. However, I suppose sometimes they had to make an example out of someone for a specific reason, in the same way the United States dropped an atomic Bomb on Japan 70 years ago to make an example. War is war my friend. Being in the Outfit is like belonging to a small army within the United States. Your right, if it were me a .22 to the back of the head would be much more acceptable.
    - The German
      
      In re the Spilotro Bros hit – does anyone know if investigators ever went to Jimmy T’s old house in Bensenville and use Luminol or similar methods on the basement?
      
      And The Don – If those bodies weren’t meant to be found (although I believe they were meant to be found) who would learn from the example?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The feds analyzed the house. However, I am not certain of what tests were conducted.
    - Domain7r
      
      The feds did analyze that house? Do you know if that was before or after family secrets?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Well before.
    - The Don
      
      Maybe they were meant to be found at some point. Also, it was revenge for what Spilotro did to cause all those problems. If you were going to be sentenced to jail for the rest of your life, you might kill somebody also. Again, it’s part of being in a small type of army. I’m only trying to explain it, I’m not condoning it.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The Don,
      War is called war when it lawfully authorized executed by an official government, otherwise, it is called terrorism.
    - The Don
      
      Joe, you need to have two seperate divisions of ANP. One division would have blogs about morality and about what ever allegedly happened to you with Fratto etc. The Second division would be dedicated to topics about Organized Crime.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The Don,
      I try not to bring up what Rudy and others did to me. The articles that I authored on Rudy are old. Unfortunately, it is a part of my and the Outfit’s history. If I ignored the subject when others bring it up, i would be accused of hiding something.
    - The Don
      
      Then your Father & Uncle Romie were very bad men and were terrorists.
    - The German
      
      Joe posted above his father’s actions were deplorable.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I did.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The Don,
      I am afraid that you are correct. However, I tend to focus on their good side because of the family connection. I have to ignore the other side, again, because of the family connection.
    - The Don
      
      German, I’m not condoning some of those extreme actions, I’m just trying to explain why it may have happened. If you know anything about the Service, in the United States Army there is a special small killing group called the ( Clean up ) crew that specialized in torure or some extreme form of violence for a specific reason. Years ago in the Outfit the same thing existed. The Average Outfit guy would not be able to stomach a couple of things you mentioned, just like the average soldier in the army or marines would not be involved in extreme measures. Again, I’m not condoning it nor am I condemning it, I’m only trying to explain it. I do not want to be your enemy or get into some big moral discussion. Thank You & Merry Xmas to you.
    - The German
      
      Forget the moral stuff – what I am saying if you are an Outfit guy – made – you either have to have done some heavy work, expected to be able to do heavy work if called upon to do so, or I suppose there are cases like Don Angel who just made the top guys nut. There is DiFronzo (per Nick C.) and maybe others walking around that were involved in that Spilotro hit. LT wore goggles during it. Those guys must have iron stomachs, am I right?
    - Black Angelo
      
      Yes I was told LT was wearing goggles during the murders. But the Outfit is a money making and criminal organization. I dont think the Don or I ever said they was friggin Angels. I just dont understand why Fosco always uses the name John Gacy every oppurtunity he gets ! I think he has a secrect fascination with the man, he would never admit it, but he has used the Gacy name way to much. But understand German the world is not white n black.
      
      You have cocksucking presidents that get us into conflicts (i was involved in one) and wars and for what !! To protect Indo China from Communism, Over nation building, Oil, Contracts for those Oil Countrys (like Dick Cheneys Haliburton) we lost alot of good young men for a punch of pussymuthafucking political bullshit !
      
      At least in the Outfit you know what your getting into. Be a Man and accept that fact. Solly DeLaurentis said it best when he knew he was going off to Federal Prison or knew he was going to be indicted one day for the Life he lead quote ”it is what it is” he said !!!!
    - The Don
      
      According to Soap Box Joe, Gacy was one of the Top Bosses of the Outfit.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The Don,
      Last night you started name calling. Today its telling lies. You are ban for 30-days. No lies allowed here.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Attention Readers:
      Never once in the history of ANP have I made an assertion that John Gacy headed the Chicago Outfit at anytime in his life. Thank you.
    - Black Angelo
      
      Wait a second Fosco no false information about you or your banned ? Or false info period lol ? And btw I thing The Don was joking with you, He likes to break balls every so often, big deal. Come on Joe
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      BA,
      If he was joking, I was not laughing. There are thousands who read our posts. I do not want some of my readers to think that I would ever assert something that is not true about the work that I pour my heart and soul into. If The Don emails me explaining that the was joking. I will consider lifting the ban.
    - The Don
      
      It was a sarcastic joke, like the ones you always make, but you obviously can’t take it.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear The Don,
      
      Thank you for clarifying. However, I disagree with your assertion that I always make sarcastic jokes. On the contrary, I love jokes. I once allowed someone (calculatedly) to throw a pie in my face at a fun little gathering (the kind with the rum in it).
      
      Since you clarified yourself and because I am a fair man, I am lifting the ban. However, I will monitor your comments for the rest of the evening before publishing them. I want to make sure that you did not had too much eggnog.
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      Dear Joe: Please be advised that tonight I had several glasses of eggnog (the kind with rum in it) myself, and am currently shitfaced. So I will not be participating in the threads tonight. Thank you.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I appreciate your prudent position. Thank you.
    - The German
      
      Buon Natale HF!
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      BA,
      
      Perhaps you would like to believe that I have a ‘sick’ infatuation with Gacy, but I do not. I admit that I am somewhat interested in the comparisons between Outfit killers and famous serial killers. Gacy appears to be the most popular of his kind. In the interest of being fair, I would like to point out that I searched the name ‘John Gacy’ on YouTube a few minutes ago in anticipation of writing this response. After a cursory review of the hits on page one of the search list (keep in mind there are several pages), over 3-million people have searched his name. What could I say; many people are interested in him.
      
      As a side note: Dr. Joseph Giacchino is probably the only person in the world with a Gacy Art Gallery in his own home.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Amen!
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear Glord,
Thank you for your long term readership and recent comment. You are correct. It was hard to accept reality. I love and respect my father, however, I have accepted that his involvement in a criminal enterprise was deplorable. In order to maintain love and respect for him, which I will do forever, I simply focus on my memories of him as a father and block out the thoughts relating to the Outfit.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

You have just included him. Thank you very much for the information.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

The Don and I hashed it out and the ban was lifted.

Horsey F@rt

Merry Christmas Eve, ANP! I’ll be wearing a Santa hat, drinking eggnog (with rum in it), twirling a friggin’ candy cane on my finger with my nieces and nephews on my lap this evening–all while listening to Lou Monte records.

Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrdxtWgHbE

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear HF,

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Speaking of nieces and laps and candy, I am offering a prayer to the niece of the alleged nephew (who purportedly makes a living selling insurance in his dad’s office) of the Outfits dumbest boss in history. God, please look after the toddler who will potentially be in questionable hands this Holiday Season. Amen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTX405_ga6I
- The Don
  
  Joe, Will you stop with the exaggerated bullshit. You put youreslf on his level when you talk this way. You are not and don’t need to offer a prayer for his 4 year old niece. He’s talking about some young hot babe waitresses that work at a particular Joint. You continually try to provoke this guy. Why? Ignore him. Just relax and enjoy Christmas with your girlfriend or a couple of your female relatives. Buon Natale!
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    The Don,
    Okay boss, I will get right on it. lol
    - The Don
      
      ‘ As he laws down the law ‘ ? Have another drink Joe. Buon Natale! Signed, the Wizard of Don.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I will remember that next time you ask me to fix another one of your ongoing typos. lol
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The Don,
      I will seek your identity for purposes of discovery when I file my lawsuit against Tosto before sometime in April of 2012.
    - The Don
      
      Sounds like a threat to me, Joe. You’ve never said that to anyone else ever who’s commented on your threads. I don’t appreciate it. Are you going to start threatening your other commentors?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Take a joke you big baby! We argue like brothers, right? LOL
    - The Don
      
      I know. I’m just breaking balls having a few drinks. Joe, my real identity is Rock Infelice. I have come back from the dead to aid my Bald headed nephew in his time of need. LOL
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I f***ing knew it! Now I am going to the G!
The German

Dominick the Donkey?

The Don

Thanks Southwest, I’m just an outspoken guy who reacts to bullshit when I hear it. Buon Natale!

Anonymous

Joe, Don, Black Angelo, HF, How do you think Marco and Di Fronzo avoided ‘Family Secrets” Reading between the lines….it smells of special protection, with Jimmy Marcello holding the bag.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Well, Marco was already tried and convicted and on parole when the Family Secrets case was shaping. Since he did not violate parole, he was obviously under the radar and not perceived as an active participant in OC, contrary to some of our fellow commenters beliefs. However, if some are correct (I am still doing my research) and Marco is up to no good again, he will probably die in prison one day.
Read this to learn why I believe Johnny was not indicted:

http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/3455/outfit-boss-john-difronzo-is-a-double-agent/
The Don

Barisub, Johnny is very powerful with strong Political connections/or the more probable reason is that the Feds ONLY had the word of Nick Calabrese and nothing else. I do not agree with Joe Fosco’s insinuation that Johnny is a dry snitch. Anything’s possible, but I doubt it. The Extended Elmwood Park Crew dominates the Outfit and everything is coordinated through them. It would be illogical for Johnny to dry snitch on the other 3 subservient partner crews: Grand Ave., Cicero & 26th St. I think believing it’s strongly possible of Johnny being a dry snitch is very wishful thinkin on the part of Joe.
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  Barisub,
  Until I have The Dons true identity, please be advised that he could very well be John DiFronzo.
  - The Don
    
    I didn’t say that Mr Exaggerator, I said it’s MOST probable they didn’t indict him becase they ONLY HAD THE WORD OF NICK CALARESE AND NOTHING ELSE. Put your glasses on it might help you to read better.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Whatever you say Mr. DiFronzo, or D’Amico, or whomever you are.
http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Dear Barisub,

Here is another piece:

http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/484/unlike-hannibal-lecter-chicago-mob-boss-john-difronzo-doesnt-have-to-hide/
- The Don
  
  Joe, Will you stop it. I don’t know or you don’t know how much pull DiFronzo really has with anybody. I Mean the Outfit had enough pull in the past to elect a President. The Outfit had enough pull in the past to very possible be involved with you honorable all American C.I.A. to kill a president. In the last 2 or 3 years my opinion on a couple things might have shifted slighty one way or the other because of new evidence like Black Angelo said about himself. You continually saying that Marco wasn’t made because Willie who was half senile at the end told you was ridiculous. However, recently you have become more open minded to the possibility. You’ve shifted your opinion slightly also . that’s a good thing, not a bad thing. It’s called learning and being open minded. That’s life Joe. And the person who ever orders me to do something is my wife ( on occasion ) and who basically thinks you’re full of shit half the time so I end up sticking up for you, you stubborn former gangster.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    I have never shifted on key issues.
    
    Willie was not senile, lol, just different, which is what he was his entire life, different. Did you know Willie? In addition, as I have said numerous times, which you have conveniently ignored, several sources indicated that Marco was not ‘made’ prior to his imprisonment.
    
    Recently, I allowed your opinion to serve as a driving force behind me writing and publishing the article above, so I could learn more updated information about Marco from as many other people in the community. Once I have enough leads, I will begin vetting them.
    - Black Angelo
      
      If Johnny DiFronzo did not tell you himself Marco was or was not Made you will never know Fosco (GIVE IT UP !!) Even if Johnny told you today what Marcos status was .. would you believe him ? Remember this was the man that lied directly in Chuck Goudie face to irrefutable evidence pertaining to him knowing Marco. Alot of these guys would FOR SURE lie to you about something pertaining to a OutfitGuys status. I would look at you crazy even you was to ask about Marco or anyone. I gotta say if true you had alot of balls asking if Marco was made to Willie or any guy.. I imagne they took pause before answering you (if True of course). Again I dont care what you or your sources or the Don has said in the past.
      
      IT DOES NOT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO KNOW MARCO WAS MADE A LONG TIME AGO!! The Don has used his relative (uncle) and common sense to figure things out. Maybe we should argue if he went throught the ceremony or not. He was already calling shots in the 1970s when you was pissin in the bed my friend lol.
    - Black Angelo
      
      If Johnny DiFronzo did not tell you himself Marco was or was not Made you will never know Fosco (GIVE IT UP !!) Even if Johnny told you today what Marcos status was .. would you believe him ? Remember this was the man that lied directly in Chuck Goudie face to irrefutable evidence pertaining to him knowing Marco. Alot of these guys would FOR SURE lie to you about something pertaining to a OutfitGuys status. I would look at you crazy even you was to ask about Marco or anyone. I gotta say if true you had alot of balls asking if Marco was made to Willie or any guy.. I imagne they took pause before answering you (if True of course). Again I dont care what you or your sources or the Don has said in the past.
      
      IT DOES NOT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO KNOW MARCO WAS MADE A LONG TIME AGO!! The Don has used his relative (uncle) and common sense to figure things out. Maybe we should argue if he went throught the ceremony or not. He was already calling shots in the 1970s when you was pissin in the bed my friend lol.
Black Angelo

I’ve always been consistent on this and everything else. I do talk to my sources and hear new things and change my mind depending on evidence or facts. I’m not stubborn or think i’m right all the time like some babies (as some do on here)… some people will never admit their wrong because they either have a Napoleonic Complex or have huge Ego’s.

As to how Marco and DiFronzo avoided Family Secrets ? No offense, but kind of a stupid fucking question. Horsey Fart a many of times and just recently laid out that facts of why Jim Marcello was indicted and DiFronzo was not. They had alot to build a circumstancial case on Jimmy. Not so much on DiFronzo (to make a long story short).

As to Marco lol… their is not a fucking thing pointing in his direction to those murders NOTHING. Barisub, you might of as well through Andriacchi into the question as well and asked about his protection ? I mean come on !
- The Don
  
  Black Angelo, Right on Paisan. Sometimes when you hear new evidence, you might slightly shift your opinion. That’s a good thing. Even stubborn soapbox Joe has FINALLY shifted his opinion slightly and is considering the fact that Marco is a stong made guy in the Outfit. That’s a good thing on his part and I’m actually proud of him for shifting his opinion based on overwhelming evidence.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    The Don, show me where I declared that Marco is made and I will send a $100.00 donation to the Red Cross in your name.
    
    I admit that Marco might have become more active recently. However, I need to continue with my analysis before publishing my findings.
    - Black Angelo
      
      Fair is Fair
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  I would add that I do not believe Marco has murdered anyone at any point in his life. If you think I am wrong, please give names of possible murder victims.
  - Black Angelo
    
    Joe I dont fucking know what Marco has done in his whole criminal career ! I know he is capable of murder or ordering it.. a many will testify to that. I do know he is a MadeGuy. End of Discussion on that note.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      If Marco is made, it happened roughly within the last 18-months. Personally, i think he is too strong of a person to have accepted being made recently. He knows who he is and does not need the status of being made in order to be who he has been all of his adult life. The only thing that i respect him for is his lack of giving a shit about being made. If I could find factual information that supports that Marco is now a made member of the Outfit, I will use the news as a headline for an article telling all about it.
    - Black Angelo
      
      What about an article on when Andriacchi was made ? Lets here that one ? Guess what you want here that one because of the same reason you wont here about Marco’s. That kind of shit is beyond you and me.. Trust Me Joe. Give it up.
- The German
  
  BA – and I apologize if this was covered already, but I think if I followed the logic above, Lumbo should not have gotten indicted either. They had a fingerprint on a car title. That and Seifert’s widow saying she felt the masked man that held her and her son back carried himself like Lombardo. They had old wiretaps of Lombardo that had nothing to do with Seifert – I guess to set in the mind of the jurors Lombardo is an Outfit guy. Thing is, Lombardo already did time for the things played on those wiretaps. That is what leads me to question why Bananas did not get indicted.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    well, according to the don (three years ago), joe l (not his alleged uncle), does not have political clout, but now has clout, which is the reason the don states it is a fact why jd was not indicted. LOL

The Don

Joe & Black Angelo, A couple of years ago Joe was saying that the Elmwood Park Crew was deactivated. Remember? Well that was about the last time I talked to my relative and he seemed to be less active. Anyway, Joe you had me & Black Angelo thinking that what you were saying was basically true. Well, during all that time, Black Angelo and myself obviously saw that was NOT the Direction of the Elmwood Park Crew. The only person who was really deactivated was Mike Mags & MAYBE Fratto to a lesser degree. The Extended Elmwood Park Crew is indeed powerful and active, just in a more secretive and almost exclusively non violent way ( though the threat of it is always there). I believe you have come around more to our opinion. We are open minded and observe things. I was at more of a disadvantage not having direct contact with my relative for two years. I relied on a couple other things which corresponded to Black Angelo’s investigation. Therefore, in my opinion and the opinion of Black Angelo, since the Extended Elmwood Park Crew is the active Dominent Crew, there is basically no creedence to Johnny being a dry snitch. Another point was Marco not being made. Well, I never believed that story completely. I agree that Cerone held Marco bacK from that happeneing, ( We bothe agrred on that point) but after he was gone in 1985, there is no question that changed in a big fuckin’ hurry. Another point made by you was that Mike Sarno was the Boss of the Cicero Crew. I never believed that to be true. I believe he was a made guy running a franchise, but not a Capo. No Capo would use bikers to do semi-heavy work. The point is that you, me & Black Angelo are all very knowledgable and basically in/on the know. Horsey has also become very knowledgable and learns very quickly, that’s why we actually make a good team. We’ve all learned certain things from each other. I think you and Horsey have some philosophical differences with me & Black Angelo. Black and I see the entire picture of the whole scenario almost identical. Lastly, just because I disagree with you on some deep philosophical things doesn’t mean I don’t like your articles. I think you generally write very good artticles with some fucking great pictures. Giancana’s & Magnafichi’s article were absolutely oustanding! I ,personally, am not out to discredit you. we simply operate from different perspectives. I have to agree with Black Angelo on one personal point, of the four of us, you are definetly the most stubborn. LOL.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Appropriately identifying the Elmwood Park crew as primarily deactivated (initially) over a year ago, coupled with seeing some recent evidence of Marco’s possible return to his former life of organized crime does not constitute as a major difference in findings.
Unfortunately, you and others are free to detract on any level you wish however, consistency is consistency (if you cannot do detract based on my work, you will do it based on my height of 5 feet 8 inches, lol). My slight changes of opinion have been based on real change. As you put it, you and others have changed opinions because of different sources. In other words, you are retracting your former findings. I, on the other hand, focus on getting it right the first time, prior to publishing.
- Black Angelo
  
  Not trying to Bust Balls but what exactly did you get right on DiFronzo for instance ? I have not seen any convictions or indictments on some of these murders he has allegdelly been apart of or have claimed he’s been apart of ? And journalist get shit wrong all the time. What world are you living in ? That is a pipe dream my friend. Your articles are never going to be 100% (get that outta your friggin head now) The Outfit is way way to secrective for you to know everything. Buon Natale !
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Everything I wrote about DiFronzo is right. There is much more I would like to write about him, however, I cannot verify it, and so I will not write it. Read The Dons comments from a few years ago, which I linked in one of my comments on this thread last night. He will tell you that I don not write something that I know nothing about (I agree with him on that note). As far as DiFronzo not being indicted, I think he is either a good criminal who knows how to avoid adequate detection by law enforcement, or he is a snitch (I am leaning toward snitch), or both. A little bit of good luck might also have something to do with it as well. Do you suspect that DiFronzo is not a criminal and the feds have been targeting the wrong man all of these years?
    
    I never said that I am 100% right all of the time. In addition, I realize that some journalists (and other writers) make mistakes on an ongoing basis (I wont mention names).
    
    Lastly, I will state that I never proclaimed to know everything about the Outfit. Gosh, I hate being falsely accused of things!
    - Black Angelo
      
      Exatly 1,000 % I agree on the last two paragraphs and what you said. Chuck Goudie cant even get DiFronzo indicted and hasnt even bothered in doing a story on him going on 3 years.. So I know you cant, if Chuck cant !! He is a Pro and your still an Amateur in the journalist game. No offense but everyone would agree with that. He’s been doing what he has been doing for a long time (lets put it this way longer than you have). And again you have not prove DiFronzo is a murder, or a snitch. I do believe once upon a time he was a serious criminal but with all the wealth he has amounted over the decades and with Marco being released in 2005. He could hand over the Outfit to Marco who knows how to run such a thing and is a organizer of men (who has a street crew for some 30 odd years).
      
      They’ll never indict DiFronzo on anything (unless Marco or Pete DiFronzo flipped and that shit is not happening ever!!).. Chuck Goudie has already understood this about Johnny DiFronzo when are you going to figure it out Joe ??
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You obviously missed a comment that I left earlier this morning.
  - The Don
    
    Joe, You don’t know everything about the Outfit. None of us do. Sometimes you may be a little off on a couple of things just like me & Black Angelo. Nobody’s perfect. Stop trying to act superior and like your perfect in everything you write. Youre not! Nobody is perfect!
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      You missed one of my recent comments.
- The Don
  
  I haven’t retracted anything. I discovered over the last two years that the Elmwood Park Crew is not entirely deactivated like you stated. You were way off on that point and actually misled Black Angelo & I into believing it temporarily until we both did our own investigation indepentley and came up with the same conclusion. Joe, you have a funny way of always trying to twist something around into something different that suites you. Well, obviously none of the Judges in the court system bought it. If You really were so fucking perfect and smart about everything, you still wouldn’t have 5 felonies attached to your name plus be out $500,000 Dollars. Guess what Joe, you’re good but you aint perfect by any means.
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Oh boy, talk about a soapbox. LOL
    And, you are such a *regurgitater and not an accurate one. LOL
    *a custom word
    It would be interesting to know more about you. I want to know more about you.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The mentally challenged insurance selling reputed nephew of the dumbest Outfit boss in history once issued a measly $500.00 reward for my whereabouts. With his logic in mind, I hereby offer anyone $250 (half the price, LOL), for The Don’s real name. Please email me in private, jfosco@americannewspost.com. I do not want to wait until April to receive said information via the discovery process in the court of law.
    - The Don
      
      I can’t help you or hurt you in any way concerning the Insurance salesman. I have nothing to do with whatever problem you have with the guy. I don’t understand why you keep bringing this up ( Joke or no Joke). I’ll just consider it a joke. LOL.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      LOL
    - Black Angelo
      
      Joe be smart. You claim your smart. I dont care about your readership. But look how many people actually blog on here.. NOT MANY AT ALL. Maybe 6 fellas at best.. 3 with real good solid info. IF you set a precendent in trying to out one of your anonymous bloggers (like the Don) that will be the begininning of the end of ANP. People already (I imagine) are scared to blog on here for that very reason. So when you offer 250.00 to any ANP reader you have just outsmarted yourself my friend. People will react to that saying “oh fuck he could out my real idenity”. Take my advice.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      BA,
      The written medium has existed and existed well long before commenters were allowed to interject with questions and opinions. The Don has stepped away from blogging on ANP in the past. The numbers of readers remained consistent. I receive the data on a daily basis. If the six of you fell away, I would have more time to write other articles. However, I do like the action the message boards receive. Nevertheless, make no mistake; all six of you are as expendable to me as I am to you.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      PS:
      
      I would also explain why you are expendable to me. You are anonymous writers, who cite unnamed sources. No matter what way you look at it, your credibility is nonexistent.
      My credibility at worst is questionable. My life’s experiences and good number of my sources have been established. You could take it or leave it (given the amount of years some of you have been commenting, shows many that you have taken it). If you unknowns wish to fall away ‘again’, my viewers will remain interested in my reporting as they have in the past.
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      Joe, what the hell is going on in the threads? Who is talking about falling away?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear HF,
      The Don came apart at the seems yesterday over the fact that I have been expressing my suspicions about his motives on ANP. At one point I suggested that he might be DiFronzo or D’Amico (more likely a cohort then the actual gangsters themselves). However, once I began joking about the idea of discovering his true identity (related to some issues concerning the various IP addresses that he relies on in communicating with us at ANP – my IT person brought these matters to my attention recently), he fell apart, perhaps falling away. Of course Black Angelo (in a highly predictable fashion) attempted to rescue The Don with a feeble and subtle threat, inferring that ANP needs them, as if it will evaporate into thin air if I do not kowtow to their whimsies. For the record, I do appreciate BA’s input (most of it). However, I have only allowed The Don a place here in the last several months because he allowed me an opportunity to address my detractors, as he served as one. Nonetheless, he is welcome to fall away at this point his job is done.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      PS,
      
      The patsy nephew of the dumbest Outfit boss in history, admitted to being the Huck’s nephew in his highly advertised Christmas Youtube video about me (which netted less then 100 views, LOL). The only accurate portion of his video would be found in the comment section, where it is indicated that some photos of me are from a 2003 Halloween party that I attended with Billy Daddono III. LOL
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      Who provided the photos, anyway?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      The only person that I know who had possession of the photo (and the other two or three photos) is Billy Daddono III. He carried the photo of me from the Halloween party around with him for a year laughing about it. It is no surprise that Daddono would be affiliated with the Huck’s nephew. Gangsters and gangsters relatives who admire and endorse the gangster life have always hung out together. Do not forget, Tosto’s video feeds on me were born shortly after the Michael Magnafichi article, which indicated various segments of Daddono. I further suspect (based on a little bird who whispered in my ear on December 23, 2011) that Marco supports the Tosto YouTube clips via some connections that I will be writing about soon.
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      What do you mean by Marco “supports” the YouTube vids?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      I would defer in answering this question until I publish my followup piece on Marco very soon.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Furthermore:
      
      The man that I am in a photo with, who Tosto falsely identifies as a one ‘Francis Seversky’ (LOL), is really a man named Vince Eiduke, who was born in the United States and has maintained U.S. Citizenship his entire life; and works as a golf instructor in the west and northwest suburbs. Those of you into golf might know him, or could easily check him out. I have never received one penny from the man for any reason. In addition to his job as a golf instructor, he worked for Billy Daddono III for a while via Century Trade Show Services. In fact, Bill at Dawns Club Tropic in Schaumberg, Illinois, took the photo one night when the three of us went out for some laughs (roughly 9-years ago).
      
      I suspect that Tosto is intentionally toning down his clips about me, making them into obvious jokes as a disingenuous way of establishing a defense for what will be coming his way soon. It is likely that Tosto would attempt to argue that all of his YouTube stuff has been for the sake of humor.
    - Horsey F@rt
      
      What kind of IP issues would prompt you to seek out who he really is? If people use different computers, or use their laptop (or smartphone) in different locations to access ANP, they’re bound to have all kinds of funky IP addresses.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      yes, I agree. However, I am going off the advice of my IT person. I have a meeting scheduled with him to discuss the issues in detail. I will have better answers soon. Thank you.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      In addition, The Don has sparked some other detectable concerns, which I will expand on at a later time.
    - The Don
      
      Joe, You obviously have irritated Black Angelo and me. I do not want to argue or hurt you. I like most of your articles, you do a good job writing them, none of us know everthing and we’ve all shifted a few of our opinions a little when new evidence is presented. Fair enough? Buon Natale!

The German

You guys dont even stop on Christmas!! LOL. Ironically, I made some
observations about the Don. He certainly does have a consistency
problem. I was rereading old posts I read years ago and the Don’s
writing style and commenting is totally different. Wonder if its a
different person? Anyhow, you already know the Don’s identity am I
right? I thought you guys met up at some point. Anyhow, Merry Christmas!
Play with the kid. Leave this stuff for a while!

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Yes, my child was with me (and still is but sleeping) from noon time on. No, I never met The Don. My IT guy gave me a rather interesting report on his various IP addresses. I will probably be letting you and others know something interesting very soon.
Harlemave

Hello everyone I have been reading on here for a while
and decided to contribute

I heard of a “GANGSTER” XMAS party in Elk Grove on Friday

Does anyone know where it was held?

I will find out more very soon.
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  It will be interesting to see if you will indicate the residence of a relative of mine who lives there as a subtle threat (called a joke).

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Oh. Good. Thank you for not being inappropriate. I am sorting out some bad seeds on the threads. Please share details.

frank

It was an annual party held by Mario Gullo.There was a lot of people there including the 2 that the headline is about.
- Harlemave
  
  WOW Thanks for the quick reply! Who is Mario Gullo? Where does he fall into with all these peoples?

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Another Outfit related PSA:

http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/3592/attention-public-anp-needs-your-help-on-an-outfit-matter/

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

What is a legit guy doing with criminals (who are purportedly actively committing crimes) at his party?

Harlemave

Frank can you tell us what other “Gangsters” were there?

Is this the guy that has the yellow Lambo?
- frank
  
  Pete and Joey D,Solly D,Chris Spina,and other reputed associates.I forgot,Marco and Tony Dote
  - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
    
    Thank you for the information.
    - frank
      
      I don’t want to sound like I am defending anyone.I too have been judged and accused without the truth.I have many friends with different backgrounds and as I said,I treat people the way they treat me.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      In all honesty, the truth is that Dote is a bookmaker, all parties are identified by the feds as gangsters or top associates and (according to you) all of them seem to be associating with each other. To avoid a long argument I will no longer participate in conversation on this issue. Thank you for your opinions. Most of all, thank you for your information. I have forwarded it to the proper authorities, who investigate potentially corrupt businesses in Illinois.
frank

Sometimes as you know,you can be friends with someone without getting involved in someone’s business.I treat people the way they treat me,regardless of their background.
- http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
  
  I understand and I agree. I am a convicted felon (from a 1992 case). However, in the case of D’Amico and Dote, both are reputedly active in Outfit gaming today, which has nothing to do with a background.
  - frank
    
    I understand what you are saying,but Reputed is not proven.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Do you suppose that your remark has a ‘catch me if you can’ tone to it?
  - Chitowndago
    
    Joe, I’m just wondering how you are able to carry a gun as a convicted felon?
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Dear Chi…,
      No offense, but your question lacks merit. In addition, I am disappointed that you would insinuate something of such a serious nature. The last crime that I was judged to have committed was roughly 20-years ago (I have not committed any crimes since that episode).
    - Chitowndago
      
      That’s why I asked. I knew you weren’t stupid enough to do that.
    - http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco
      
      Thank you.
      Although, some have suggested that I should consider taking my chances by carrying a firearm for protection (because of the previous FBI notifications of threats against my life). One fellow once told me that if he were in my shoes, he would “rather be judged by twelve instead of carried by six.”

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Those are not valid and will be removed soon. The courthouse has the correct version of the case and I travel with a certified document from the court, which proves that I have no convictions at all from the Cerone case. Thank you for giving me the opportunity of sharing said correction.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Sir,
In my opinion, based on my vast experience on the Chicago Outfit and specifically the DiFronzos, the Duda person that you have mentioned would not truly be a made member of the organization. I would not be surprised if he is not related to the DiFronzo brothers. According to some source he refers to one DiFronzo brother as a cousin and the other as an uncle, which is illogical.
Do not be swayed by a copycat criminal who is obsessed with the Outfit. If the FBI believes he is a made man, it would not be the first time they were wrong.
If the Duda man is truly related to the infamous DiFronzo brothers, so what, it would not support the idea that he is made.
Thank you for your question.

Pagliaccio

I saw this a while back. I considered it a joke.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Same here.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

The only wife that I know of is Paula.

Allenjames32

Aye, typical goo Ma. Many years younger, even uses his last name on some bills. His name is on a apt that her name is on most bills. He is on the bills as well as Roxane JurkowskiDote.

Also I shared with you my source of some of this. Please keep it to your self, I’ll tell u in private why some day

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

The jury would have found DiFronzo guilty. Its too bad Fitz gave him a pass. I am sure he had his reasons.

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

I do not recall anyone being upset with Marco as a result of his previous criminal court case. I believe he plead guilty which means he acknowledged being an Outfit guy (despite the fact that I contend that Marco is not a ‘made’ Outfit guy).

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

Rocky Infelice

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

I know who you are and refuse to justify anything you have said (in your latest comment) which is why I deleted your comment and refrained from indicating your identity. Get a life loser.
Sincerely, JF

Genco Olio

OK,
here’s a question for all you Chicago Outfit watchers. Who is the dumpy,
confused-looking Polish guy that I’ve been seeing with Marco D’Amico over the
past two months? This guy is in his fifties. He has a dishwater blonde,
bowl-style haircut and speaks in a booming voice with an Eastern European
accent. Every time I see him, he is wearing tan work boots and has one of those
ancient Nextel cell phones clipped to his belt, the way people did back in
2001. His unkempt appearance totally clashes with Marco’s dapper and
“dandy-ish” style. And he really lives up to the “Polack” stereotype, too.
I’ve observed him accidentally enter the women’s washroom. Another time,
he spilled a piping hot cup of coffee all over his lap and then cried out
loudly in pain. Yet another time, I witnessed him chatting-up an attractive
woman while the zipper on his Wranglers was wide open, exposing his underpants.
Hahaha. He shouts when he talks, and I’ve overheard Marco tell him, “Keep it
down, will ya, or I’m gunna send ya home!” Again, I have no idea who this guy
is, but my friends and I laugh hard whenever we see them together. What’s
hilarious is that this man obviously grates on Marco’s nerves. Marco is
always chewing him out, barely able to keep his voice at a polite volume. Other
times, someone else will approach Marco to talk, and the Polish guy will be
sent away to sit in the car. Speaking of cars, this guy drives an old,
brown beater of a pick-up truck. So, he’s definitely not Marco’s driver. I
don’t want anyone reading this to think I follow Marco around—he’s never
impressed me. There happens to be one place I see him frequently and a few
other places where he drops in now and again. All of a sudden, this Polish guy
is on the scene, and it actually makes me suspect that Marco is retired because
there’s no way this Pole could possibly be part of any crew besides the Gang
That Couldn’t Shoot Straight. Either that or Marco is active in the rackets and
uses this nitwit as a clever ruse to fool investigators into thinking that he only
hangs around with silly goofballs these days. Interestingly, I recently saw
Marco meeting with a large group of serious looking, Old Neighborhood guys. (A
lot of Lincolns, Mercades, BMWs, and Caddies in the parking lot that
afternoon.) I don’t presume to know what they were discussing, but, on this
occasion, the Polish guy was right there in the mix with them, standing next to
Marco. Everyone just ignored him, like he was invisible or something. He
follows Marco to the restroom, stationing himself in front of the door like a
bodyguard. As frumpy and bewildered as this guys looks, and as ridiculous as he
acts, he looks like a guy who can handle himself, physically. Any ideas who he
is?

http://www.americannewspost.com Joseph Fosco

LOL

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