Chicago Gangster Lenny Patrick
Today’s Roundtable discussion was rather revealing as retired Chicago Police Sergeant Don Herion and retired gaming expert Mr. Harvey reminisced about past experiences with Chicago Outfit issues.
I apologize for a couple of instances where electronic mobile devices interrupted us. ANP will endeavor to keep such distractions from occurring in the future.
Join ANP again next week as we expect to be back then. Thanks for watching.
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Looks awesome…can’t wait to watch.
I hope you like it.
Good show. FYI bookmakers or agents who want to bet against their office just create a “beard”,that being a friend or confidant that is unknown to the person manning the phones. They’re given a code number to use and call in whatever bets they are told to but since the BM or agent does the paying or collecting no one ever sees them. It’s a pretty foolproof system.
Inversely,if a boss suspected that a clerk was cheating or colluding with customers,beards can easily be created to attempt to gather evidence.
Thank you for your comment Ex.
Sounds like you have some experience in the game…
Hands on,D. In fact it was done to someone Harvey mentioned in the show..
Tough business.
Yep,and very dangerous if it was ever uncovered. These were the last people on earth you’d ever want to antagonize.
Only an idiot would try and scam Outfit guys out of bookmaking money.
How do you figure it as a scam? There’s only a problem if the intention is to rip off the office by claiming the fictitious customer came up short and disappeared. I would never,ever, get involved in something like that.
Great episode with very interesting stuff. These two are good guests. Thanks Joe.
way to go joe.enjoy the oldtimers.keep it coming.thanks for your dedication to also help others.
Thanks for your kind words Pat.
Joe, whoever gave you the idea to put together a show like this is a genius : )
Aw my new aspiration is to become a book maker,looks easy enough, right? Or wait,maybe I’d rather go around collecting street tax. I’d say “pay the grand and nothing bad is going to happen to you today,thank you very much”. That sounds like a dream job! However,i guess if they don’t pay I’ll have to spend A grand paying someone else to do a follow up ,because i can be squeamish when it comes to torture and killing. Excellent show Joe. Learned a lot and enjoyed seeing Don and Harvey again.
Thank you for your compliment LL.
Finally, the show is back on track. These old timers know their shit. You lost me for a bit when you brought that girl on the show. She added almost nothing (but tits of course). But these guys are good and add valuable insight. Great job!!!!
Thanks JMess. Perhaps some ‘things’ clouded my vision/judgment last year when I brought the young lady on the show. 😉 But then with certain internet rumors that were once circulated accusing me of being gay, perhaps Frank Coconate was my alleged distraction. lol
Are you saying Frank is not gay? How is that possible? Ha ha. He’s a total bear.
I’ll ask him.
I was told by someone who knows Frank from back in the day that he was very interested in getting plugs for that bald noodle of his. Either that or he had actually gotten them I cannot recall which.
Clearly they didn’t take. Link says he’s a cuddly bear. I’ll take her word for it. Frank looks like he gets irritable if goes more than 4 hours without a beef sandwich.
Better get that lie detector ready. Coconutty is a cagey one.
Great show.
Thank you
Harvey and Don were really good. Herion is a stud. The black sweater swallowed up some of that bookmaker belly on Harvey.
total stud
Did he replace Frank on your “to do” list?
No, lol
My comment was directed at Link. : )
No heavy nuts ,don is way out of my league. Frank was only on my to do list hypothetically. If I was a gay man seeking a bear remember?(:
My apologies… I assumed that you were a woman with the “Lovely” description.
Easy does it LL
Yes, they were really good.
RE:Jimmy LaValley. I believe LaValley was originally arrested by the Feds trying to collect a debt for a bookmaker by the name of “Kappy” Pielet. The debtor was an FBI informant and the meet was at the Berghoff Restaurant on 17 W Adams,conveniently less than a block away from the Federal building. LaValley smacked the guy and both were immediately arrested by the dozen or so agents situated in the restaurant, and charged with extortion and extension of credit by extortion. This happened in 86 or 87 and may have been when LaValley started cooperating with the G.
I personally knew Jimmy. I saw him on a business related matter shortly before he was a news story. I think it was later, maybe 89 or 90. He was unusually more concerned about beefers. I had a problem that needed assistance and he was hesitant, but my problem ultimately went away. The last year, before he flipped, he was different. I’ve played golf with him on many occasions and he was a lot of fun. He liked to play scotch games for big money. In my opinion, he was a marginal golfer. And for a guy that size, he wasn’t a very big hitter. Mags would eat his lunch everyday of the week back then. I had a lot of fun those days. I’m old now, so maybe I’m losing it on the time of things.
D,It could have happened in 88 but I’m pretty sure no later than that. Like you,I may be losing it on the exact times of events. Pielet was actually warned by another trusted,knowledgeable,big-time bookmaker not to get involved with the informant because he had suspicions about him,yet he proceeded to take him on as a customer anyway. And yes,those were the fun good old days 🙂
I want to say that I last saw Jimmy in 1990. I remember Mags ripping on Jimmy after he flipped in the early 90s.
He may have flipped earlier and no one was aware. 2 good examples who wore wires for a significant length of time are BJ and Bob Cooley,
I knew BJ. Tough moniker. He sure did hurt Rocky. Never met Cooley.
I thought about my last meeting with Jimmy after he flipped and wondered if he had a wire that night. Nobody came knocking. Small potatoes…
On my first court date for my misdemeanor gambling beef I ran into a couple of old friends who were mob associates and were there on their own matters. They suggested that I use Cooley to represent me saying that he “gets everybody off”.
I immediately crossed him off my list of possible attorneys. I figured it would put a huge target on my back if he was representing lots of outfit guys. Instead I went with a lawyer that was recommended to me by a legit friend.
I’ve lived happily ever after 🙂
Good to hear you saw the light. How has Chucky never took a pinch?
Who was the bookmaker?
Sorry but that person is still alive and to protect his privacy I will not mention his name.
Fair enough.
Joe, please ask Harvey about his experiences with Chucky the Head. Chucky used to wear one of those gaudy gold bracelets that porn stars seem to enjoy.
What is Sacco’s story? Is he originally from Chicago?